Monday, June 24, 2024

Questioning Bing About rightturd FDR Conspiracy Theories


Following are some questions I asked the Microsoft AI, Bing Copilot. These are conspiracy theories having to do with Ukraine, the Soviet Union and America's 32nd president, Franklin D. Roosevelt (in office from March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945). FDR was voted America's greatest president in the 2022 Survey of US Presidents.

My 4 questions are paraphrases of conspiracy theories believed by the rightturds Qtard & Mystere. Who I am paraphrasing is stated after the question. Along with a link to where the rightturd in question expressed his belief in the conspiracy theory in question.

1. Dervish Sanders: Did FDR reward the Soviet Union in 1933 with recgonition after they killed millions of Ukranians in the Holodomor (1932–1933)? [Qtard]

Copilot: In 1933, American President Franklin Delano Roosevelt formally recognized Stalin's communist regime and signed a trade agreement with the Soviet Union, despite the recent campaign of genocide against Ukraine known as the Holodomor, which left over 10 million people dead [1-1, 1-2]. The recognition occurred after almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union. [1-3]. The decision was influenced by economic considerations, foreign policy concerns, and the desire to alleviate the Great Depression. However, FDR did not publicly acknowledge the famine or criticize the Soviet Union’s actions against the Ukrainian people. [1-4]

Learn more: nps.gov, thenewamerican.com, history.state.gov, jstor.org.

2. Dervish Sanders: Did FDR not publicly acknowledge the famine because he was an evil man and delighted in the deaths of millions due to starvation? [Qtard].

Copilot: It's essential to approach historical events with nuance and consider the broader context. While Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to recognize the Soviet Union in 1933 was influenced by various factors, it’s not accurate to label him as "evil" or attribute delight in the deaths of millions to him.

Here are some key points to consider...

2-1. Complex Geopolitics
• Roosevelt hoped that recognition of the Soviet Union would serve U.S. strategic interests by limiting Japanese expansionism in Asia, and he believed that full diplomatic recognition would serve American commercial interests in the Soviet Union, a matter of some concern to an Administration grappling with the effects of the Great Depression. Finally, the United States was the only major power that continued to withhold official diplomatic recognition from the Soviet Union. [2-1, 2-2]
• The US-Soviet Trade Agreement of 1933 established normalized trade relations between the two countries. It allowed for the exchange of goods and facilitated economic cooperation, contributing to the recovery of both economies. [2-3]

2-2. Holodomor and Recognition
• The Holodomor (1932–1933) was a devastating famine in Ukraine caused by Soviet policies, resulting in millions of deaths.
• FDR's decision to recognize the Soviet Union was not an endorsement of the famine. It was a pragmatic move based on realpolitik.

2-3. Public Statements
• FDR did not publicly acknowledge the famine during the recognition process. However, this silence was not unique to him; other Western leaders also avoided direct criticism.
• Publicly condemning the Soviet regime might have jeopardized diplomatic relations and economic interests.

2-4. Historical Context
• The 1930s were marked by global economic challenges, rising totalitarian regimes, and shifting alliances.
• FDR's actions should be understood within this broader context rather than through a simplistic lens of good versus evil.

In summary, FDR's decision was multifaceted, driven by political, economic, and strategic considerations. While we can critique aspects of his approach, it’s essential to avoid oversimplification and recognize the complexities of historical events.

3. Dervish Sanders: FDR also sent many Japanese Americans to detention camps. Do you think this was because he was an evil racist who hated Japanese Americans and wanted to deport them? (February 19, 1942 to March 20, 1946). [Mystere].

Copilot: The decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II was complex and influenced by various factors. While it's essential to critically examine historical actions, labeling FDR as "evil" or driven by racial hatred oversimplifies the situation.

Here are some key points...

3-1. Context and Fear of Espionage
• After the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, there were genuine fears of Japanese espionage and sabotage.
• President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066 in February 1942, approving the relocation of Japanese-Americans into internment camps.
• The order affected not only Japanese Americans but also Italian and German Americans, although the majority of detainees were Japanese Americans. 3-1]

3-2. West Coast Vulnerability
• The West Coast was particularly vulnerable due to naval ports, commercial shipping, and agriculture.
• Ill-defined military areas around West Coast cities, ports, and industrial regions were designated as off-limits.
• Long-standing racism against Japanese Americans, fueled by jealousy over their commercial success, led to demands for mass removal [3-2].

3-3. Impact on Lives
• Over 117,000 Japanese immigrants and their descendants (including U.S. citizens) were forcibly placed in prison camps.
• Families lost businesses, farms, and loved ones due to the relocation.
• Camps like Manzanar and Tule Lake housed thousands of families, disrupting lives and causing immense hardship.

3-4. Complexity and Nuance
• FDR's decision was multifaceted, driven by wartime fears, geopolitical considerations, and public pressure.
• While we can critique aspects of the internment policy, it's crucial to avoid simplistic judgments and recognize the broader historical context. [3-3]

In summary, FDR's actions were influenced by a mix of factors, and attributing them solely to evil intent oversimplifies a complex chapter in American history.

Learn more: History.com, trumanlibrary.gov, politico.com, fdrlibraryvirtualtour.org, List of films about the Japanese American internment.

4. Dervish Sanders: Did FDR have foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack which he ignored because he wanted to have an excuse to involve the USA in the war?

Copilot: The question of whether President Franklin D. Roosevelt had foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack remains a topic of historical debate. Here are some key points...

4-1. The Attack
• On December 7, 1941, the Japanese Imperial Navy launched a surprise attack on the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
• The attack resulted in significant damage to the Pacific Fleet and the loss of over 2,400 American lives.

4-2. Foreknowledge Hypotheses
• Some theories suggest that FDR or elements within the U.S. government had advance knowledge of the attack but allowed it to happen.
• These hypotheses propose that FDR wanted a pretext to involve the United States in World War II.

4-3. Evidence and Counterarguments
• Historians have examined documents, testimonies, and intelligence reports.
• While there are indications that intelligence agencies had intercepted Japanese communications, the specific details and significance remain debated.
• Critics argue that attributing foreknowledge to FDR oversimplifies a complex situation.

4-4. Complexity and Uncertainty
• The truth is elusive due to incomplete records, conflicting accounts, and the passage of time.
• FDR's focus was on European affairs, and the Pacific was not his primary concern.
• The attack galvanized public support for war, but it also led to immense loss and suffering.

In summary, the question lacks a definitive answer. While some evidence suggests awareness, it is not conclusive. Historians continue to explore this pivotal moment in history.

Post authored by FDR fan Dervish Sanders @ wym306.

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