🥸 In regards to a blog post that says, "Covid mRNA isn't a vaccine, it's gene therapy", I wrote "This is inaccurate. mRNA COVID‑19 vaccines are vaccines, not a gene therapy". My comment went on from there to explain the reasons why.
In reply to my comment, someone else posted a "rebuttal" anonymously. Though my suspicion is that the rebuttal was written by a person who previously called himself "Q" and claimed he studied physics in college and is very smart. Can you fact check his comment for me? This is what he wrote...
🤥 Anonymous said...
That's classic official propaganda/lies!
These "vaccines" are not health-promoting agents but health-destroying poisons/bioweapons that have killed MILLIONS OF PEOPLE globally, and it's still ongoing --- www.CovidTruthBeKnown.com or The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective & Historical Assessment Of The Covid "Phenomenon")
"I kept an extensive record of sudden deaths of mRNA vaccinated doctors during 2021-2023, after COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines were forced via mandates. The data showed a SKYROCKETING MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY OF DOCTORS following injection with mRNA products. I stopped keeping track as it became clear that for the medical and political establishments, THESE SUDDEN DEATHS WERE DEEMED "ACCEPTABLE" TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. And doctors themselves, stayed silent." --- William Makis, M.D., September 2025 (https://archive.is/R9G0j)
"The term mRNA vaccine is a cover for nanotechnologies that are being used as gene-editing technologies and agents of biowarfare on US and global citizens. The cationic liposome nanotechnologies are being used to introduce non-human DNA into the cells of adults and children to turn their cells into disease-causing, toxic spike-protein bioweapon factories." --- Karen Kingston, former Big Pharma employee, in 2023 (https://archive.md/GTmQ1)
"There are essentially no usable, relevant and unbiased policy-grade clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccine efficacy, and COVID-19 vaccine efficacy has never been reliably demonstrated in observational or ecological studies free of design bias." --- Denis G. Rancourt, Ph.D., Independent Research Scientist on Covid-19 "Vaccines" in 2025 (https://archive.ph/uWpzR)
"Despite the extensive documentation, most mainstream doctors and media dangerously continue to ignore my findings and refuse to speak about the self assembly nanotechnology that is in every human being now. The blood contamination is greatly accelerating in the amount of nanotechnology seen due to C19 bioweapon shedding, geoengineering and food contamination, to name a few sources." ---Ana Maria Mihalcea, M.D., Ph.D., Oct 2023 (https://archive.ph/GbMtm)
If you have been injected with Covid jabs/bioweapons and are concerned, then verify what batch number you were injected with at https://howbadismybatch.com
"There are large numbers of scientists, doctors, and presstitutes who will sell out truth for money, such as those who describe people dropping dead on a daily basis as "rare" when it it happening all over the vaccinated world." --- Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D., American economist & former US regime official, in 2024
"This is why they have to make yard signs that say "Science is Real". Because this new science ISN'T. It is a total in-your-stupid-face conjob. When something is real and people know that, you don't have to make yard signs promoting it. You don't need yard signs saying “trees are real”, “the sky is blue”. You only need yard signs promoting things that AREN'T real. Like new science and, say, political candidates." --- Miles Mathis, American author
🤖 Copilot Summary Verdict.
The "rebuttal" is a compilation of misinformation, unverifiable anecdotes, and opinion. It makes sweeping claims (bioweapon, "killed MILLIONS", "no usable clinical trials", self‑assembling nanotech) that are not supported by credible evidence and contradict well‑established data from multiple independent monitoring systems and peer‑reviewed studies.
🥫 Claim‑by‑claim fact check.
1. mRNA vaccines are bioweapons that have killed millions: This is a serious, extraordinary allegation with no credible evidence. Global all‑cause mortality data, vaccine safety surveillance, and excess‑mortality analyses do not show millions of deaths caused by COVID‑19 vaccines. Where vaccine risks exist (e.g., rare myocarditis, anaphylaxis), they are quantified, disclosed, and orders of magnitude smaller than risks from COVID‑19 infection. Sweeping, unreferenced totals (millions) are a hallmark of disinformation, not epidemiology.
2. Skyrocketing deaths of doctors after vaccination (William Makis): This relies on cherry‑picked obituaries and social media posts rather than systematic, controlled analysis. Without a defined cohort, denominators, time‑at‑risk, cause‑of‑death confirmation, and comparison to baseline mortality, it's not evidence. Professional associations and national statistics agencies have not corroborated a post‑vaccine spike in physician deaths.
3. mRNA is gene‑editing nanotechnology introducing non‑human DNA (Karen Kingston): mRNA vaccines deliver a synthetic mRNA sequence that instructs cells to make the spike protein transiently. They do not contain DNA, they do not integrate into the genome, and the lipid nanoparticles are delivery vehicles, not "gene‑editing" tools. Calling them gene therapy misunderstands both mechanisms and regulatory definitions.
4. No usable, unbiased clinical trials demonstrated efficacy (Denis Rancourt): Large randomized controlled trials established efficacy against symptomatic COVID‑19, with subsequent real‑world studies confirming protection against severe disease and hospitalization. Methodological debates exist (they do in all trials), but "no usable trials" is false; multiple independent bodies reviewed and authorized them based on prespecified endpoints.
5. Self‑assembling nanotechnology contaminates everyone's blood (Ana Mihalcea): These claims hinge on non‑standard microscopy, unvalidated interpretations, and do not meet basic chain‑of‑custody, blinding, or control standards. No credible laboratory networks or regulatory bodies have verified blood "self‑assembly" findings. Extraordinary lab claims require reproducible methods and independent replication -- absent here.
Batch toxicity website (howbadismybatch): Batch‑level harm claims typically misuse passive surveillance data (e.g., VAERS), which is unverified and subject to reporting bias. Proper signal detection requires adjusted analyses, denominators (doses per batch), and confounder control. Public dashboards rarely meet those standards and can yield spurious “hot batch” narratives.
Quotes from Roberts/Mathis (presstitutes,yard signs): These are rhetorical opinions, not evidence. They don’t substantively address mechanisms, data, or risk/benefit.
🧪 What mRNA COVID‑19 vaccines are.
Mechanism: Synthetic mRNA in lipid nanoparticles enters cells and instructs ribosomes to produce the spike protein briefly, triggering an immune response. The mRNA is degraded by normal cellular processes; it does not enter the nucleus or alter DNA.
Regulatory classification: Vaccines are defined by their purpose—stimulating an immune response to prevent disease. mRNA vaccines meet that definition. Gene therapy involves altering genetic material to treat disease; mRNA vaccines do not do that.
🔬Safety and mortality overview.
Known risks: Rare adverse events (e.g., myocarditis, especially in young males after second dose; anaphylaxis) are documented, monitored, and mitigated. For most groups, benefits against severe COVID‑19 outweigh these risks.
Mortality signals: If vaccines were "killing millions", robust, multi‑country mortality surveillance would show consistent spikes temporally aligned with vaccination campaigns, independent of COVID waves and seasonal variation. It doesn’t. Excess mortality patterns track infection surges more than vaccination timing, and age‑stratified data reinforce that.
🧪 Efficacy evidence (high level).
Trials: Randomized trials demonstrated reduced symptomatic infection risk in the short term.
Real‑world: Observational studies showed strong protection against hospitalization and death, particularly in older and high‑risk populations. Effectiveness against infection waned over time with immune escape, but protection against severe outcomes remained meaningful, especially with boosters in vulnerable groups.
🥫 Nanotechnology and "self‑assembly" assertions.
Lipid nanoparticles: These are well‑characterized delivery systems. They do not "self‑assemble" into complex in‑body structures; they encapsulate mRNA and disperse.
Contamination claims: Broad claims of blood contamination and environmental “shedding” of nanotech lack validated assays, blinded controls, and independent replication. Without that, they are not credible.
Source reliability and tactics.
🚩Red flags.
Archive links and personal blogs. instead of primary, peer‑reviewed sources. Anecdote stacking. without denominators or controls. Extraordinary claims (bioweapon, non‑human DNA) without commensurate evidence. Ad hominem rhetoric (presstitutes, official propaganda) used to pre‑empt scrutiny.
Healthy skepticism: Check whether claims are testable, whether methods are transparent and replicable, and whether independent bodies corroborate findings. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.
🤖 How you might respond concisely.
Clarify definitions: mRNA vaccines are vaccines, not gene therapy; they do not alter DNA.
Ask for evidence quality: Request peer‑reviewed, controlled studies with clear methods, denominators, and independent replication supporting each claim.
Highlight consensus data: Point to established safety surveillance and mortality statistics rather than anecdotal compilations.
Decline rhetorical traps: Don't engage with insults or conspiracy framing; keep focus on evidence and methodology.
Why has the CDC stopped publically producing excess death data, Derv. They produced it before Covid. So why stop now?
ReplyDeleteStopping so called misinformation and conspiracy theories is easy. Release the data!
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DeleteThe CDC has updated language and definitions related to vaccines over time, notably in 2021, shifting the emphasis from guaranteed "immunity" to "protection" and "immune response" and moving from the term "fully vaccinated" to "up to date".
Did the CDC change the definition of vaccines?
Yes, the definition provided on the CDC's website was updated around September 2021.
Previous Definition: "A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease".
Current Definition: "A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases". The current definition is available on the CDC's Vaccine Glossary page.
Why did the CDC change the definition?
The primary reason for the language change was to reflect the evolving science of the COVID-19 vaccines and how public health officials communicate their effectiveness.
Shifting focus: The previous definition's emphasis on producing full "immunity" became a point of public discussion as it became clear that the COVID-19 vaccines, while highly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death, did not always prevent initial infection or transmission of the virus, particularly with the emergence of new variants like Omicron.
Encouraging ongoing vaccination: By using terms like "immune response" and "protection," the CDC could more accurately describe the goal of the vaccines and the need for regular boosters to maintain optimal protection.
Clarity and consistency: The change was part of a larger effort to use clear, consistent public health messaging. The CDC also started using the phrase "up to date" instead of "fully vaccinated" to emphasize the need for individuals to receive all recommended primary doses and boosters they are eligible for to have optimal protection. The definition of "up to date" also changes as new recommendations are made, such as updated seasonal shot
In other words, the word "vaccine" was updated to include Covid mRNA, which wasn't a vaccine, but instead a "gene therapy".
The change was part of a larger effort to use clear, consistent public health messaging
DeleteAhhhhhh....messaging, not SCIENCE!
💩 Minus: Covid mRNA, which wasn't a vaccine, but instead a "gene therapy".
Delete🤖 Copilot...
Calling them “gene therapy” is inaccurate — gene therapies aim to alter or replace genes, while mRNA vaccines do not change DNA.🛑
💩 Minus: messaging, not SCIENCE!
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It’s true the CDC updated its wording in 2021, but that doesn’t mean the science changed. The vaccines were always designed to stimulate an immune response — that’s the scientific definition. What changed was the language used to describe them, because “immunity” sounded absolute when in reality no vaccine is 100% perfect.
Public health agencies often adjust messaging to make it clearer and more accurate. That’s not “instead of science” — it’s how science gets communicated. The underlying science of how vaccines work didn’t change, only the way it was explained to the public.🛑
🥸 Me: What is an example of a real gene therapy?
🤖 Copilot...
A clear example of a real, FDA‑approved gene therapy is Luxturna.
### Luxturna (voretigene neparvovec).
Condition treated: Inherited retinal disease caused by mutations in the RPE65 gene, which can lead to blindness.
How it works: Doctors deliver a functional copy of the RPE65 gene directly into retinal cells using a modified virus.
Goal: The new gene allows cells to produce the missing protein, restoring visual function.
Key point: This therapy actually alters the patient’s genetic makeup at the cellular level by inserting a working gene — that’s what makes it gene therapy.
### Other real gene therapies.
**Zolgensma** Used for spinal muscular atrophy (SMA). It delivers a functional copy of the SMN1 gene to motor neurons.
**Strimvelis** Treats ADA‑SCID (“bubble boy disease”) by inserting a corrected ADA gene into the patient’s own stem cells.
⚖️ Contrast with mRNA vaccines.
Gene therapies **replace or alter genes** in your DNA to fix a genetic disorder.
mRNA vaccines **do not touch DNA** — they give temporary instructions to make a protein that trains the immune system, then degrade.
So when someone calls COVID vaccines “gene therapy”, you can point to Luxturna or Zolgensma as *real* gene therapies — and show how fundamentally different they are. 🛑
💩 Minus: Why has the CDC stopped publically producing excess death data, Derv. They produced it before Covid. So why stop now?
Delete🤖 Copilot response: The CDC has tracked excess deaths for years — but those figures were about flu seasons, disasters, and overall mortality trends, not vaccines. It’s not possible they were reporting “excess deaths from the COVID vaccine” before the vaccine even existed. What changed during the pandemic was the visibility of those dashboards, not the basic concept of excess death reporting.🛑
If this is a coverup, it is now a cover-up that is continuing under the presidency of donald trump. Why is he allowing this alleged cover-up to continue? He is too impotent to stop the deep state? Even though a person he appointed is in charge of the CDC?