As per the WYD trumpers, Elizabeth Warren is a liar concerning her Native American ancestry. She lied in order to gain advantage (even though the evidence shows she advanced on merit and not due to having Native American blood).
My assumption was that what Elizabeth Warren's mother told her (when she said "your grandfather is part Delaware... and your grandmother is part Cherokee") may or may not have been accurate. Because the fact is that "more Americans claim descent from at least one Cherokee ancestor than any other Native American group". Even though "the belief in Cherokee ancestry is more common than actual blood ties".
My opinion was that Warren supporters would not care one way or the other. I know I did not care. However, as it turns out, what Elizabeth Warren's mother told her was spot on. She DOES have Native America ancestry. As per a DNA test, the results of which Warren recently released.
| Senator Elizabeth Warren made public the results of a DNA test on Monday, which an expert said shows "strong evidence" that she has a Native American ancestor. ... "The vast majority" of Warren's ancestry is European but "the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor" six to 10 generations ago, according to Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor who analyzed the results. ... Warren has said that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was partially Native American. (Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Test Results by Willa Frej. HuffPost 10/15/2018). |
The Orange Turd, who promised ONE MILLION DOLLARS to a charity of Warren's choice should she take a DNA test (and the results showed she has Native American blood), now says "who cares". Given the fact that the trumper cultists take their cues from their Orange Turd Cult leader, I expect similar responses from the WYD horde of howling baboons. Who (previously) INSISTED that such "lies" pointed to a major flaw in Elizabeth Warren's character.
| Minus FJ: The cheap beyotch Lizzie Warren ought to fork $69 bucks over to the Ancestry.com people for a DNA test. (3/1/2018 at 11:42am).
Joe Conservative: Take the DNA test, Lizzy! (3/2/2018 at 3:31am). Thersites: lol! ...a fraud upon the student bodies of the universities in which she taught was committed. Blame them, or blame her, she never tried to set the record straight. And she's on the same path today. Fauxcohontas, indeed! (3/10/2018 at 9:27am). |
The "Joe Conservative" comment links to a 4/17/2017 Breitbart story titled "Elizabeth Warren Repeats Her False Claims of Native American Ancestry in New Book". According to the Breitbart author "in 2012 Breitbart News exhaustively documented the facts surrounding Senator Warren's claims of Native American ancestry and demonstrated that no credible evidence exists to support those claims".
Breitbart author Michael Patrick Leahy is a liar. He might be correct about there (at the time) being no "credible evidence" (her mother might have been mistaken), but that does not make the claims "false" (as the title of the article asserts). He could have said "dubious", but "false" suggests that Warren took a DNA test and it said that Warren absolutely no way has Native American ancestry. Which was not the case then.
And now we know for certain that the "claim" is not "false", but TRUE. So what will Minus say given this development? I seriously doubt he will issue an apology. Most likely he will blame Warren. She should have taken the test earlier, and, because she didn't, she invited such criticism. aka the "why did you make me hit you?" defense.
So, does this mean that Elizabeth Warren is running for president? I say yes. Also, she has my vote. BTW, what about the tRump family's claim that they were Swedish? As per The Week Trump incorrectly claimed to be Swedish for decades. Apparently Fred tRump didn't want Jewish renters to know he was German. And, since it was already out there, Donny kept up the lie... through the 1980s.
But there was no controversy at all. tRump said nothing about his (and his father's) prior misrepresentation of their heritage (as far as I know). Although he felt free to continue criticizing Warren for ACCURATELY claiming that she has native American ancestry. Maybe we should start calling Donny "Lying Lars Gustafsson"? With apologies to the Swedish politician Lars Gustafson as well as the Swedish author Lars Gustafsson. Given that there is no way either of those two gentlemen could possibly be as big of an asshole as Donald tRump.
Video1: Quote (as transcribed by me from the video below), "I promise you I'll do this ... I will give you a million dollars, to your favorite charity - paid for by tRump - if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian. And let's see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no". Conclusion? tRump owes $1 million to the charity of EW's choice. PAY UP! (2:44).
Video2: In this video from 10/15/2018 the Lying Orange Turd falsely claims that he never made the offer to give 1 million dollars to the charity of Elizabeth Warren's choice. "I didn't say that. You better read it again". Also, now that her heritage is no longer an issue he can use to beat her up, says "who cares. Who cares". YOU cared, asshole! (1:01).
Video3: As per DJT's ghostwritten 1987 book The Art of the Deal, "his story is classic Horatio Alger. Fred Trump was born in New Jersey in 1905. His father, who came here from Sweden as a child, owned a moderately successful restaurant" (1:29).
Instead of the "tomahawk chop" and "Indian war whoop" that a Scott Brown staffer used to mock Elizabeth Warren, what about chants of "bork, bork bork" to mock tRump? This mockery could be employed at any future tRump/Warren potus debate. LOL?
ReplyDeleteAs per Dennis Marks, "Elizabeth Warren... fraudulently presented [her]self as a Native American for personal gain". He also said "it's a form of racism". This is quoting a 9/10/2014 comment on the Willis Hart blog "Contra O'Reilly".
ReplyDeleteIn response I authored a commentary in which I presented the evidence that proves EW did NOT use her Native Amercian ancestry for "personal gain".
Evidence as follows:
Josh Hicks of the Washington Post: [Scott] Brown said that Warren "checked the box claiming she was Native American" when she applied to Harvard and Penn, suggesting the Democratic candidate somehow gained an unfair advantage because of an iffy ethnic background. But there is no proof that she ever marked a form to tell the schools about her heritage, nor is there any public evidence that the universities knew about her lineage before hiring her.
The senator's debate comments also suggest Warren actively applied for positions with Harvard and Penn, but the evidence suggests the schools recruited her because of her groundbreaking research and writings on bankruptcy. Harvard, in fact, did not give up on her after she first turned down a tenured position with the university. (Everything you need to know about Elizabeth Warren's claim of Native American heritage, 9/28/2012).
Is this the ONLY DNA test she took?
ReplyDeleteIs that you're requiring now? Multiple tests? She didn't mail it in, so it's not a consumer grade DNA test. The results were analyzed by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor. As per Wikipedia, Bustamante "is a population geneticist working at Stanford University [who] graduated from Harvard College, and Harvard University with a PhD in Biology. He has published over 100 works in peer-reviewed journals. For his contributions to population genetics he was awarded a MacArthur Fellowship grant" in 2010.
DeleteI don't require multiple tests. Just proof that she ACTUALLY took this one, and didn't shop her DNA to a hundred different "experts" looking for a false positive.
Deleteps - Bustamante doesn't have REAL North Native American DNA of the kind Warren claims descent from. His reference sample came from Mexicans, Columbians, and Peruvians.
Besides aren't you the one who tried to convince me how UNRELIABLE these DNA test were?
Delete"Bustamante doesn't have REAL North Native American DNA of the kind Warren claims descent from. His reference sample came from Mexicans, Columbians, and Peruvians".
DeleteI don't know where you're getting that from. It isn't in the article I linked to.
I read the lab report.
Delete"Besides aren't you the one who tried to convince me how UNRELIABLE these DNA test were?".
DeleteNo. I said that a non-positive was not evidence that she has no Native American ancestors. Because of the nature of DNA, those markers may not have been passed on. In EW's case however, "the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor". Which is ALL a DNA test can do.
And I remind you that YOU (and tRump) asked for a DNA test. Now you want to discount the results because (1) you want the DNA test to prove something it can't prove. Or (2) you question the "chain of custody". #getbent.
Re: "I read the lab report". So why not link to it? I looked at the original article, clicked a link that said it was going to show it to me, but hit a pay wall. BTW, you're a geneticist? My assumption is that when Bustamante says there is "strong evidence that she has a Native American ancestor" he isn't bullshitting but basing his conclusion on reliable/tested methods of determining ancestry.
DeleteStrongly "suggests" (but ultimately inconclusive) because he only has Columbians, Mexican and Peruvians (no North American tribe DNA) to compare it to.
Delete:P
DeleteAs I already stated, "strongly suggests" is the BEST conclusion that can be reached by DNA analysis. An analysis YOU demanded. Additionally, the Bustamante report explains that they used "one of the leading methods for ancestry analysis". They did not use a substandard testing method, as you suggest. Also, the report explains why they use the samples they use... because "it is not possible to use Native American reference sequences from inside the United States, since Native American groups within the US have not chosen to participate in recent population genetics studies".
DeleteConclusion: EW utilized an expert in his field to test her DNA using one of the leading methods. Your objections regarding the testing method is absurd. This is quite similar to when Obama released his long form birth certificate... and your side claimed it was a forgery. Evidence you don't like will ALWAYS be not good enough or have been faked.
“Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong,” said Chuck Hoskin Jr., the tribe’s secretary of state.
Delete“It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven.”…
“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship,” Hoskin said in the statement Monday, which was released by the tribe. “Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America.
You calling the Cherokee absurd? Racist!
DeleteChuck Hoskin Jr's statement has no bearing on EW, as Warren is not claiming any tribal identity. The sole purpose of the test was to prove she has a Native American ancestor. Hoskin is also only one individual and there is a diversity of opinion within any community. His opinion may mirror that of a large number of Cherokee, but there are also certainly Cherokee who disagree. In any case, the core objection he states does not apply as Warren, while she did previously say one ancestor (according to her mother) was Cherokee, is claiming no tribal identity. And YOU are the one who is absurd. For the reasons I stated, which have nothing to do with the Cherokee. I don't know why they have chosen to not participate in recent population genetics studies, but that is their prerogative.
DeleteI assume that what you write about this "Chuck Hoskin Jr" person is accurate. You gave no link and I did no Google search - and why should I? You're the one presenting this as "evidence", so YOU should be the one giving the link.
Warren's response to Chuck Hoskin Jr's concerns, via tweet...
DeleteI won't sit quietly for @realDonaldTrump's racism, so I took a test. But DNA & family history has nothing to do with tribal affiliation or citizenship, which is determined only – only – by Tribal Nations. I respect the distinction, & don't list myself as Native in the Senate.
See, she denies being a Native American.
Deletefrom Breitbart:
DeleteThe New York Times, citing the 23andMe data, reported: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American.”
That falls within Warren’s reported range, and suggests she may be no more Native American than the average white American.
As the Boston Herald noted in 2012, Warren’s claim to Native American identity “was once touted by embattled Harvard Law School officials who cited her claim as proof of their faculty’s diversity.”
Breitbart News, investigating her claims, found that she had not participated in Native American programs while teaching at Harvard, contrary to her claim that she had suddenly identified as Native American to meet others who shared her purported background.
DeleteAccording to Warren’s own DNA test, she has, at best, 1/64th Native American ancestry, but it could also be as low as 1/1,024. Percentage-wise, she can claim somewhere between 0.1 percent to 1.56 percent Native lineage.
The minimum requirement to claim membership in most Native American tribes ranges from 1/8 (12.5 percent) to 1/2 (50 percent). A few tribes have a minimum requirement of 1/16 (six percent).
Oh, look, she lost her bet with Trump. She never reached the Native American threshold of 12.5%...
DeleteWhat was disputed was her claim that she had ANY Native ancestors. You are moving the goalposts now that you have been proven wrong. Just as tRump is.
DeleteAnyway, bet won. Not that it was a bet. A bet is when two parties agree. tRump issued a challenge for her to take a DNA test. She did, and it PROVED that what her mother told her about her heritage is correct. tRump needs to pay up.
And EW had nothing to do with Harvard Law School officials citing her claim as proof of their faculty's diversity. She was unaware of what they did.
Why didn't they do THAT for Henry Louis Gates, Jr (call HIM a Native American)? Is the Harvard faculty as RACIST as the current litigants claim?
DeleteHarvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., who studies the genetic ancestry of Americans, wrote in 2013 (citing Ancestry.com) that the average African-American genome is 2% Native American. In 2014, the genetics website 23andMe said the average black American genome is 0.8% Native American, while Latinos have 18% Native American ancestry, on average. Among white Americans, there is considerable variation: 8% of whites in Louisiana have at least 1% Native American ancestry, for example, according to 23andMe.
DeleteElizabeth Warren is less "Native American" than the average Black American.
tRump is the idiot who has been calling her Pocohontas. Maybe that is why you're confused? EW never claimed to be a Native American. First you said "not at all", now you say "not enough". She took the test you wanted her to take and it showed that what she said was true all along. Case closed.
DeleteIt also showed that I'm likely to have more Cherokee blood than she does.
DeleteTake a DNA test, liar. Although, if you do, I will still say you are a liar because you probably faked it.
DeleteI'd be a liar just like Warren because there's no Cherokee blood in anyone's DNA database.
DeleteWarren tells the truth about what her mother told her (that she has a small amount of Cherokee blood).
DeleteMy parents told me that P.T. Barnum was one of my ancestors because one of my ancestors last name was Barnum. Does that make me a showman?
DeleteShowmanship isn't an inherited trait.
Delete...but the desire to live in tepee's is?
DeleteNote: read, but I have no response to such stupidity.
DeleteThen what is Pocahontas so "proud" of?
DeleteThe Democrat Minstrel Show years are over, Dervy, accept it. No more white women in Redface!
DeleteSomething that never was can't end. There never such a thing as a "Democrat Minstrel Show". Whites portraying Native Americans also has nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren. The images of her wearing a headress that can be found online are photoshops created by bigots.
DeleteNo. That REALLY Happened!
DeleteHow do we know that the DNA submitted for analysis was hers?
ReplyDeleteI suppose next you'll be claiming that Warren is a #lyingwhore. She took the test as you demanded. Now you're moving the goalposts. I think it is pretty clear there is nothing she could do to convince you. Because trumpers believe what they want regardless of the facts.
DeleteI doubt Dr. Bustamante would imperil his reputation and possibly his job over a DNA test.
She sure snuck this one in like a #LyingWhore would. This result has about the same reliability of Blassey-Ford's lie detector test.... zero.
DeleteShow us the chain of custody.
Get out the anal swabs!
DeleteQUOTE: ...Lizzie Warren ought to fork $69 bucks over to the Ancestry.com people for a DNA test.
DeleteInstead of mailing in her DNA (for which there would be no chain of custody) she had her DNA analyzed by a Stanford University geneticist. MORE than what you asked for. Yet, still not good enough. Not that it matters, as nothing would convince you. Maybe if Donald tRump himself swabbed EW's cheek then hand delivered the sample to a lab of his choosing? Perhaps not even then.
I demand an FBI investigation. As in the Ford-SCOTUS case, ONLY the FBI will do. :)
DeleteYou didn't trust the Senate Judiciary Committee. I don't trust Warren.
DeleteIf you want Trump to pay the $1 million, you'd have to assure him of the bona fides of the lab AND guarantee the chain of custody of the sample from its' source.
DeleteI would trust the results of a complete and through FBI investigation. Which was NOT done. By the admission of Chris Wray. Quote: "The White House imposed limits on the FBI's background investigation into the sexual assault allegations against now-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the bureau's director said...".
DeleteAnd why would tRump pay the million if EW "assured him of the bona fides of the lab AND guaranteed the chain of custody of the sample from its' source"? He says he never said he'd pay a million to a charity of EW's choice (see video2). Even though that is a lie (see video1). But tRump lies all the time. He won't pay no matter what. Although I'm sure EW could provide that proof.
Funny how you expect Conservatives to "trust" Warren, yet you offer no trust of others (like Kavanaugh) in return. For all we BOTH know she found some Native American's spit-out chewing gum and sent THAT in to get tested. The results are as useless as her "word" as a Presidential candidate (with everything to lose if discovered lying).
DeleteTrust has nothing to do with it. She took a DNA test, as you demanded. You simply do not like the results.
DeleteThat she has about as much Native American blood as the average White American? How could I NOT like THAT result?
DeleteNo, it's that her mother told her the truth when she said she had a Native American ancestor. And what you write is false. I, for example, know for a fact that I have zero Native American ancestry. Also, if what you say were true, why would she need to fake the test? You're grasping at straws to avoid admitting to being wrong.
DeleteJust because you're 100% EuroTrash, don't demean the rest of us Americans.
DeleteWhy would she need to fake the test? She IS running for President, isn't she?
...and she's getting the "bad info" out NOW, before the race begins so that it won't be as big an issue LATER in her campaign.
DeleteEurotrash? Maybe you mean Melania? Aren't White Europeans the master race according to your White Supremist brethren?
DeleteYou'd Democrats know a lot more about White Supremacy then me... so I'll defer to your more experienced judgement.
DeleteThe White Supremacists vote republican. Ask David Duke and Richard Spencer. Your predisent says they are very fine people.
DeleteRichard Spencer rejects the white supremacist label. Is that what makes him a "fine person"?
DeleteNo, it makes him a liar. Wikipedia: Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978) is an American white supremacist. He is president of the National Policy Institute, a white supremacist think tank...
DeleteNo, it means your strawman needs a little less stuffing...
DeleteHe's not practicing taqiyya. It's what "he" believes.
He's lying to himself then. People do it all the time. You said so yourself. That does not change what he is. Or make what I wrote a strawman.
DeleteIs the issue that you like and agree with Spencer... and you also do not want to be (correctly) identified as a White Supremacist?
DeleteNo, I don't agree with Spencer, but I do think there's an important difference between Identitarians and Supremecists. They are not equal. Stop conflating the two terms.
DeleteEdumacate yourself.
DeleteMinus: I do think there's an important difference between Identitarians and Supremacists.
DeleteBullshit. Both are racist. The page you link to says "the movement is a part of the counter-jihad movement, with many adherents espousing the white genocide conspiracy theory".
There is no "white genocide".
Conflate, definition: to fuse into one entity; merge.
Conflating White Identitarianism and White Supremacism seems like the right thing to do to me. I will therefore keep doing it.
I didn't say that racism was good. Identitarian racism is BLM for white people. I don't see you calling THEM racists.
DeleteWe don't have a problem with disportionate extra judicial killings of White people in this country. Same as there is no "white genocide". There is no need for a BLM for whites. Except to whine about imaginary racial grievances.
DeleteWe don't? Twice as many whites are murdered by blacks than black murdered by whites. So Who knew?
DeleteAccording to (Heather) Mac Donald, 12 percent of white and Hispanic homicide deaths were due to police officers, while only four percent of black homicide deaths were the result of police officers.
Delete"If we’re going to have a 'Lives Matter' anti-police movement, it would be more appropriately named "White and Hispanic Lives Matter,'" said Mac Donald in her Hillsdale speech.
As usual, the Left's grievance industry is running 180 degrees away from the truth.
DeleteI used the word "disportionate" for a reason.
DeleteWP: ...comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population. According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62% of the US population but only about 49% of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24% of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13% of the US population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers. (Aren't more white people than black people killed by police? Yes, but no. by Wesley Lowery. The Washington Post 7/11/2016).
As usual, the Right's grievance industry is spinning 180 degrees away from the truth.
As for "twice as many whites are murdered by blacks than blacks murdered by whites"...
Delete(1) The focus of BLM are the killings of Black people by the police. Because a Black person is 2.5 times more likely than a White person to be killed by the police.
(2) The races are the same for a majority of murders. Whites kill Whites and Blacks kill Blacks. The numbers that offend you are 431 Whites killed by Blacks versus 193 Blacks killed by Whites, but 2614 Whites are killed by other Whites.
(3) "...some criminologists think we could be simply confusing race for poverty or inequality: black people tend to offend more because they tend to be more disadvantaged, living in poorer urban areas with less access to public services, and so on. If you control for deprivation, people of different races ought to be similarly predisposed to commit crime ... [One study] of violent crime in deprived neighbourhoods in Cleveland OH found that reductions in poverty led to reductions in the crime rate in exactly the same way in predominantly black and white areas, suggesting poverty, not race, is the biggest factor". (source).
Your proportionality assumption is that whites and black commit crimes at EQUAL rates. In reality, Black people commit crimes at 8-10x the rate of whites. So yes, let's consider proportionality.
DeleteTell people that they have good reasons to be aggrieved, and they will certainly pursue their own conceptions of "justice". If you could convince me that I had good reasons NOT to trust the system for justice, I'd be doling out my own personal version of it ALL THE TIME.
IMO, the Left's permanent grievance industry is more responsible than poverty for encouraging minority extra-judicial activity, aka "crime".
DeleteThe assumption I make is that the objective of the police should be to take suspects into custody. As opposed to killing them. FYI, there are more poor whites (in overall numbers) although most of them live in rural areas. While most poor Blacks are situated in urban areas. Urban areas present more opportunity to commit crime. Poverty and not race explains your crime inequality complaint.
DeleteAs for grievances, it is just that poor people hold them. The richest nation in the world can do better by our poor. Like pay living wages and not outsource our jobs to even lower wage countries (a point that you may agree with me on). The answer isn't crime, but voting.
I will admit that BHO's championing of the TPP was not helpful. Why we need more Bernie Sanders type-thinking in government. BTW, rich people have no reason to be aggrieved, yet they still pursue their own conceptions of "justice"... at the cost of 300 to 600 billion a year.
Whereas the FBI "estimates the combined costs of burglary and robbery to be roughly $4 billion". Obviously the much bigger problem (dollar wise) is thievery committed by rich (mostly) White criminals. Yet it's the crimes of poor Blacks (and Whites) that Cons concern themselves with primarily. I wonder why...
What is robbing a bank compared to founding a bank?
DeleteGet a grip, Dervish.
What is robbing a bank compared to running a bank and imposing fees that hit mostly lower earning people who can least afford them? Or charging them more in interest? Or selling them exploding mortgages? Or refusing to loan to them at all?
DeleteYou're the one who needs to get a grip. Desperate poor people aren't the problem. The problem is greedy rich assholes who always want MORE.
Are you saying that charging interest is a sin? Anti-Semite!
DeleteUsury is, as defined today, the practice of making unethical or immoral monetary loans that unfairly enrich the lender.
DeleteYou believe Jewish bankers (and bankers of no other ethnicity) charge excessive interest? That must be due to YOUR anti-Semitism.
DeleteBecause people are poor (and therefore a poor credit risk) they should be charged LESS interest?
DeleteThat's not the way it works, Dervy.
But please, tell poor people and minorities that they're all being "red-lined" and up the HUD loan targets for them. THAT should get us back to 2008...
DeleteThere is a difference between charging more to cover losses from defaults and charging excessively more (using the excuse of covering losses) to jack up profits.
DeleteAs for your insulation that the housing crisis can be blamed on poor people, that is bullshit.
CBS News: ...subprime borrowers were [not] responsible for the financial crisis. For one, a large number of subprime mortgages originated in non-CRA banks, and "none of the 300+ mortgage originators that imploded were depository banks covered by the CRA". ... Further, the default rates in these areas [where CRA loans were issued] should have been worse than other regions. What occurred was the exact opposite: The suburbs boomed and busted and went into foreclosure in much greater numbers than inner cities. (Here's what really caused the housing crisis).
"How do we know that the DNA submitted for analysis was hers?"
ReplyDeleteDerv, I didn't read the rest of this back and forth with the above-quoted commenter because it's obvious what the commenter is doing.
BTW, how do we know Joe Conservative isn't one of those Russian bots who cruise the internet trying to disrupt and sow distrust on liberal/progressive blogs. We know he hates women, so if he's a man (we really don't know, do we.), we also know he has "issues" with women. Anyway, the commenter J.D. wants more proof before he believes E.W.'s DNA test that found she DOES have Native American DNA?
That's cute. Tell him we need proof from HIM that E.W. DOESN'T have Native American DNA.
That should read "the commenter J.C., not J.D.
ReplyDeleteFYI, -FJ, Joe Cameltoe, Joe Conservative, Red Herring, Speedy G, Stanley Kowalski, Thersites and possibly others are all the same person. If Minus wants to dispute any of those I say... feel free. But I'm fairly confident those IDs are all his. Given that he has admitted to most of them. See my sidebar item "Minus FJ sockpuppet stable".
DeleteMy reading was that DNA testing SUGGESTS that Warren has native American blood. Not that it PROVES she definitely does.
ReplyDeleteLike you Dervish whether she does or does not makes NO difference to me. What is important to me is whether she has the ability to lead and direct our HUGE and GROWING federal government.
She has provided all the proof a DNA test can provide. Which, along with what her mother told her, is proof enough for me. As for her ability to lead, she surely would do a better job than tRump. And, unlike tRump, she wouldn't think she knows it all and would rely on advice from experts. Nor would she waste time and taxpayer dollars holding ego-stroking rallies. If EW runs and becomes the nominee, she has my vote.
DeleteShe's most certainly running... else she never would have had to fake her DNA test results.
DeleteBesides, the Campaign starts in January. Expect a fake ghost-written autobiography soon, too (ala Obama).
DeleteObama is the sole author of his autobiography. tRump uses ghostwriters. EW's DNA test was not "faked". Everyone but a fringe few will accept the results, so what your misogyny-based conjecture is irrelative. #trumpborkborkbork
DeleteSen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) is touting a DNA test that shows she has, at most, 1/64 Native American ancestry, and possibly as little as 1/1024 — which means she may have no more Native American DNA than the average white American, and less than many other Americans
DeleteYou were saying she was zero percent Native American before. Now that you have been proven wrong, she's not enough Native American. ALL she was ever saying is that she had an ancestor (her great great grandmother, I believe) who was part Native American. PROVEN. #getbent. #trumpborkborkbork.
Delete:)
DeleteWatched 35 seconds of liar Joe Pags's youtube.
DeleteSeems to me Joe (whoever he may be) has his head and perhaps his toe too up a camel's a*s
ReplyDelete...says the npc meme.
DeleteNonsense to me. I have no idea what "npc meme" means.
DeleteIt refers to his role at all the "whoz your" blogs.
DeleteThe content of your video does not explain at all the title of the video. Also, I know nothing about these "whoz your" blogs you speak of or what RN's role could possibly be in regards to them. My guess is that they don't exist. Both the blogs or RN's role regarding them.
Delete:P
DeleteDerv, I pretty much knew that they're all one and the same because most of those personas call me pShaw. That also dates them. No one under the age of 60 uses that as a pejorative.
ReplyDeleteYou know what it means? Because I don't. My assumption is that the "p" stands for "progressive". Although I think there is a pretty good chance I'm wrong about that.
DeletePshaw is a member in good standing of the PoundMeToo #LyingWhores club
Delete#JobsNotMobs people!
Delete1. There is no "PoundMeToo #LyingWhores club". This is something your misogynist mind dreamt up.
Delete2, The only commenters here are me, Shaw, RN and your many sockpuppets. You slandering protestors as a "mob" (as per the instructions you received from your Orange Turd Cult leader) isn't reaching "people" (i.e. the masses).
3. The Orange Turd has taken the Obama recovery and inflated it with debt-financed tax cuts. It LOOKS good now... but the tRump bubble WILL burst.
#MeToo is a fiction? Best not let THEM hear you say that...
DeleteBy the way - did you know that if you add +1 to each letter in m-o-b you get n-p-c (RN)? lol!
DeleteI LOVE meme magic!
Delete"meme magic"? There is no such thing. You believe in witchcraft too?
DeleteI never said #metoo is a fiction. It obviously isn't.
Pure witchcraft!
Delete"Pshaw is a member in good standing of the PoundMeToo #LyingWhores club"
ReplyDeletePoor Minus FJ. Still exposing himself to everyone. I believe I encouraged you to get some deep psychoanalysis for your Mommie Issues. She must have done some nasty things to you to make you feel you have to label women as whores. It's okay, Bubba, you can act out your neuroses here. We're liberals, and we understand how being a Trumpie effs up people's brains. Now go write in your journal tonight that you called pShaw a "PoundMeToo, LyingWhore" and hug your Mammadoll tight. Sweet dreams.
Aren't you late to a slut walk, pShaw?
DeleteBlame the System, not the victim!
Delete*Points at the sock puppet, J.C., and laughs*
DeleteListen, Joe, or whatever you are, if you're trying to insult me, understand this: In order to insult me, I'd have to respect you and your opinions -- I don't respect either.
Call me anything you like, Bubba. I point and laugh.
Who's trying? Much like Trump. I'm succeeding!
DeleteLike Trump? Oh. Yeah. Succeeding at being disliked, disgusted, and ridiculed by sane people.
DeleteGood on you, Bubba!
You are correct, Shaw. Joe only succeeds at insulting himself. He is a deplorable like tRump. When tRump is booted from office his kind will again be shunned instead of emboldened.
DeleteYou dreamers! This one goes out to pShaw!
DeleteWaste of time, Sunshine. I would't touch any link you or your kind post.
DeleteDerv, why are these WYD escapees so fascinated with your blog? Do they enjoy being humiliated by your superior wit and wisdom?
Meanwhile, did you hear the Liar-in-Chief tell the world he has no financial interests in Saudi Arabia? It took all of 3 seconds for the internet to find videos of him bragging about all the money he rakes in from the Saudis buying his stuff.
Either he's the world's worst liar (easily refuted with videos and former Tweets) or he's in the early stages of dementia and just can't remember what he said 10 minutes ago. Either way, he's the perfect representative of today's current GOP.
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Deletehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8lRBAKBS0
ReplyDeleteHere ya go Dervy boy!
Loretta Sanchez is no longer in office, Mystere.
DeleteDerv, the best part of today was reading Lord Dampnut's Tweet about Stormy and her reply to it. Trump got into a pissing contest with a porn star that he had to pay to keep her quiet about their little night of blissful lust while Melania was home taking care of his new son.
ReplyDeleteAll the Bible Thumpers admire this sluck (my neologism for a male version of "slut"). I wonder if they'll tell their daughters to look for that quality in any future husband -- the ability to deceive a wife so the prospective husband can shag a porn star or playmate after wifey gives birth. Now THAT's good Christian values for every family to teach their sons and daughters.
Hillary still says her husband did no wrong... Monica was "of age"... lol!
DeleteMonica was 22 at the time, which is "of age". Hope Hicks, tRump's former "in house" mistress is an impressionable 29... a 47 versus 37 year age difference.
DeleteYou have her blue dress? When do the DNA reports get here?
DeleteYour Clinton accuser list had several unnamed women on it. Clearly you are a hypocrite whose requirement for evidence drops dramatically if the accused person is a Democrat.
DeleteIsn't victim anonymity just another case of the right caving into a stupid Leftist standard?
DeleteNo.
DeleteWasn't the right to FACE your accuser a fundamental tenet of Western law? Where did this anonymity thing come from, then?
DeleteThe 6th Amendment is pretty clear on it... and not too many people on the Right complain about the Constitution.
DeleteThere were criminal charges filed in regards to the anonymous accusations against Bill Clinton? Who knew?
Deletebtw - How are thing's going for Bill & Hillary's good friend and frequent Lincoln Bedroom occupant, Harvey Weinstein?
ReplyDeleteDerv, the most hilarious part of Trump's pissing contest with the porn star is the fact that his admirers don't deal with it, but instead talk about people who are not in government and haven't been in government for years. That's called redirection, because it's too painful for them to admit that they support and admire a whoremaster, liar, cheat, fraud, and self-admitted sexual assaulter who has a body part that (according to Stormy) looks like a 'shroom. Oh, dear! Is that TMI?
ReplyDeleteBill did "set the bar"... and so far Trump is WAY above it. At least he's not trying to bang Paula Jones and the rest of the "help".
DeletetRump limboed way under the bar set by Bill Clinton. Clinton is a family man still married to his first wife who has one daughter. He may have cheated a few times, but his wife forgave him. tRump, on the other hand, fathered multiple children by 3 women - all of whom he cheated on many many times. With Playboy bunnies and porn stars who he sought to silence with NDAs and large payments.
Delete...but unlike Clinton, Trump never abused his position to get laid. And it's the position that matters, not his personal life.
DeleteClinton was the Harvey Weinstein of government.
DeleteBecause all the Clinton accusers are telling the truth while all the tRump accusers are lying? Give me a break. btw, there are more tRump accusers. Without looking up the number, i'm pretty sure it is double versus single digits. And Clinton's alleged crimes fall far short of those of Harvey Weinstein. Weinstein is worse than tRump too (I will give you that).
DeleteIt doesn't matter if the Trump accuser's are telling the truth. Paying for sex isn't an abuse of power, like banging interns IS.
DeleteI was referring to the dozen or so women who have accused tRump of sexual assault. The ones the pussy-grabber-in-chief said he was going to sue after the election (but never did). I am not aware of any intern who Bill Clinton "banged". As far as I know there was only one case of consensual sodomy with one intern. Can you name others?
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DeleteWhen I wrote "can you name others" I was referring to interns. You said WJC "banged interns".
DeleteI deleted your wrong answer. The right answer to "can you name others" is no. Because there are no others.
I did not ask for a cut and paste list of every (what you would call) "lying whore" who ever accused Bill Clinton. Did any of these women immediately go to the police? If not, then did they not "consent" via their silence?
Paula Jones was an Arkansas State Employee. Abuse of power, regardless of position held.
Delete...and as the Starr Report proved, it was MORE than a single case of consensual sodomy...
Delete" only one case of consensual sodomy"
No wonder you had to delete the proof.
When I wrote "one case" I meant with one person. Not multiple acts with the same person. You didn't "prove" anything everyone does not already know.
DeleteYou refuse to respond to the fact that, since there was no immediate reporting to the authorities by Bill Clinton's accusers, they consented via their silence. Also, that they came forward later makes them lying whores. That is per your own locic. But obviously no consistency should be expected from a hypocrite.
Delete...ditto, as you would believe them even more since they "bravely" came forward after "years of silence" and submission to the patriarchy. So where are their #MeToo medals and accolades?
DeleteAnd besides, there's actual DNA evidence in Monica's blue dress. There's collaborative testimony in Paula Jone's lawsuit. Where is Blassey Ford's evidence? Accuser #2's, #3's? Oooops.
My argument isn't your strawman that "not reporting = disbelief". It's that "no evidence = disbelief."
DeleteIt was "not reporting = consent", liar. And I do not give a crap about "blue dress evidence" due to the fact that the relationship was consensual. It is my understanding that Lewinsky pursued Clinton.
DeleteWhere is Blassey Ford's evidence? Accuser #2's, #3's? Oooops.
DeleteThe tRump white house instructed the FBI not to interview the many people who wanted to give collaborative testimony. It is hard to get to the truth when those at the top are engaged in an active cover up.
Not reporting DOES = consent. Consent, in the eyes of the REST of the World, for the entire period of the non-reporting. Private knowledge does NOT equal common knowledge. Subjective truth does NOT equal objective truth. The emperor is always wearing cloth's "until" the little boy speaks what HE sees, and everyone CONSENTS to the king's nudity up until THAT specific point. qui tacet consentire videtur
Deleteps - What does the fact that Lewinsky pursued Clinton have to do with anything? Didn't all those actresses abused by Weinstein pursue the roles he could offer/benefit them? And wasn't Lewinsky's 'pursuit' of Clinton a textbook case of hypergamy run amock as well? You need to stop giving women a "pass" for pursuing hypergamy. There would be no casting couch if there were no women willing to lie down upon it, and remain silent.
DeleteMinus = classic victim blamer.
DeleteSilence also implies complicity. Why be silent if it was all Harvey or Kananaugh?
DeleteComplicity is the reason for the "long silence". Otherwise, silence is entirely illogical.
You are a misogynist idiot. Women are silent due to shame and not wanting to face misogynist disbelief as well as victim blaming. Harvey no doubt issued threats to destroy women's careers. It is all entirely logical.
DeleteNo women are silent because they wish society to ignore their complicity, and so "virtue signal" the pretense that they aren't all #Lyingwhores through silence.
DeleteIt also explains their self-serving need to report "anonymously".
DeleteNo.
DeleteYou're right. They're just too embarrassed to report crimes like rape and assault until they're in their sixties. Good citizenship is NOT their forte.
DeleteBullshit. Most of these crimes are never reported. Christine Blasey Ford came forward reluctantly because she thought it was relevant to Brett getting a job on the Supreme Court. We should only want people of good character to fill such exalted positions.
DeleteIt isn't "good citizenship" to be eager to be slut-shamed and called a liar (which happens a lot no matter when women report). It would be good citizenship to believe women and hold the men who assault them accountable. Instead of allowing them to face no consequences and assault other women.
Minus is part of the problem and a practitioner of bad citizenship with his pushing of the completely false and misogynist idea that so many women are "lying whores".
If all the crimes were reported when they happened, we wouldn't be looking for Ford's ulterior motives. If Kavanaugh had been nominated by a Democrat and were an ultra-liberal like Ford, she would have held her tongue. That's not integrity. That's self-serving complicity.
DeleteDamn, ya gotta love those tRumpian cons. Dopey, dimwitted, dumb, and just plain old delusional.
ReplyDeleteDidn't your programmers turn down your "bold font" response, NPC?
DeleteWhy the f*ck are you calling RN a "non player character"? You're the one who was (and will be again) an npc after the voters reject trumpism. Trumpism dies with tRump, whatever happens. If you think the republican will continue trumpian policy after he's gone... think again.
DeleteIsn't it obvious? He's a programmed PC based emotional/rage emoting 'bot. The bold font's a dead giveaway. He doesn't pass the Turing test.
Delete...and he never re-programs.
DeleteRN drastically re-programmed. He left the republican party. Despite not being a fan of HRC, he had the wisdom to see how dangerous a DJT predisency would be and voted for her.
DeleteDerv, all Minus does is redirect and talk about Clinton because he is ashamed of Trump and the moral pig that Trump is. It's not just his cheating on all of his wives; it's not just his sickening, disgusting incestuous comments about his daughter; (remember when he told shock jock Howard Sterns it was okay for Sterns to tell Donald that Ivanka was a nice "piece of ass?"; it's not just the 19+ women who've accused him of sexual assault and harassment; it's not just his habitual lying on a daily basis; it's not just his cheating people out of their wages or his bogus university, it's not just his gross ignorance on foreign and domestic policies; it's all of those traits and more taken together that makes Trump worse than Clinton. Clinton is a g-d choir boy compared with the immoral pig that Minus FJ defends and admires.
ReplyDeleteYou can tell a lot about a person's character by knowing who they admire.
Yes and yes.
DeletepShaw playing her usual games. LOL!
ReplyDeleteOf course truth telling with you is a "game".
DeleteIt is when we pretend that truth is (skin color/sex) "relative".
Delete...and, like an npc, you refuse to step out of your narrative.
Delete...and while we're on the "truth" subject...
DeleteSen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-MA) great-great-great grandfather Jonathan Crawford was a member of the Tennessee Militia that rounded up Cherokees living there at the time for the Trail of Tears journey to Oklahoma in the 1830s.
This gives Warren a 1/32, or 3.125 percent, Tennessee Militia heritage, at least double the maximum 1.56 percent, minimum 0.1 percent, Native American heritage Dr. Carlos Bustamante said the evidence in the DNA genotypes purported to come from Warrren’s DNA sample “strongly suggests” in his October 10, 2018 report released by Sen. Warren on Monday.
100% irrelevant. People are not responsible for the sins of their ancestors.
DeleteTalking about following narratives, you follow the right-wing Orange Turd supporting narrative every time without fail. When I first posted this blog, your response was that Warren faked the results. Why? Because the right-wing media response had not come out yet.
DeleteAfter previously claiming EW had zero Native ancestry, the right-wing media decided the new attack would be that her Native ancestry is too low of a percentage. That is when the Minus npc fell in line and began parroting their line of attack.
Waiting for Minus to step out of his narrative. Of course we'll all be waiting for a very long time no doubt.
DeleteThey aren't? Then there's no white priviledge and I need feel no guilt for slavery. Huzzah!
DeleteWhite privilege is still a problem. Racism still exists. Slavery is still permitted within the United States (for prisoners). We are all responsible for making the world a better place for everyone. Some people look to the past and lament the progress we've made. They commit and are responsible for their own sins.
DeleteBut not Lizzy Warren. She's NOT responsible for what her ancestors did DIRECTLY to Native Americans...
Delete...and as part of HER white privilege, she can claim to be a victim of her own ancestors abuses in the name of his victims.
DeleteWhat nonsense.
DeleteComplete nonsense! Minus FJ is into a hallucinogenic drug most likely.
DeleteGod forbid that the Left would advocate punishing the descendants of ACTUAL slaveowners, instead of the 99% of whites who never owned them. Or of those ACTUALLY responsible for the Trail of Tears...
Delete...like Elizabeth Warrens's ancestors.
DeleteThe Left does not punish anyone for crimes where the perpetrators and the victims are all long dead. Also, I grow weary of your stupid right-wing slanders. I already told you whatever crimes an ancestor of Elizabeth Warren may be guilty of is 100% irrelevant.
DeleteThen why do we need "social justice"?
DeleteSocial justice is about making up for past wrongs, not punishing anyone. There is also a need for it because some assholes decide injustice done to one group in the past should be continued in the present.
DeleteThere's no injustice in Lizzy Warren putting on redface for a 21st century political Minstrel Show?
DeleteThere would be if she had done that. But she did not.
DeleteJoining a Native American Registry isn't just that? Who knew?
DeleteBut the University of Pennsylvania, where Warren intermittently taught law school from 1987 through 1995, touted Warren as a minority faculty member in an official school publication, according to an online document obtained by The Boston Globe.
DeleteWhat Native American registry did EW join?
DeleteUS Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren said on Wednesday that she listed herself as a minority in directories of law professors in the hopes of networking with other “people like me” — meaning those with Native American roots.
DeleteThe Boston Globe, a left-wing news outlet that basically works as a campaign surrogate for Warren, reported Monday that during “her academic career as a law professor, she had her ethnicity changed from white to Native American at the University of Pennsylvania Law School.”
Warren also did the same at “Harvard University Law School, where she was a tenured faculty member starting in 1995.”
On top of all that, back in 1984, Warren not only appeared to plagiarize a recipe for a cookbook titled Pow Wow Chow, she signed her name, “Elizabeth Warren — Cherokee.”
Woo-woo-woo-woo!
DeleteOK, so none. As I suspected. A directory of law professors isn't a "Native Registry". As for the "plagiarized" recipes the "the book... was not about original recipes, but rather a book of favorite dishes from a given family and therefore include a key understanding the contributor was not the author. As such, the expectation was clear that the contributor did not write the recipes in the first place" (The Dumbest Plagiarism Scandal Ever).
DeleteMany prefer "redface" Warren to the Orangeface Orange Turd JC. In FACT the majority of REAL Americans do. But maintain your delusionary fixation on the Great Con's "greatness".
DeleteDerv, don't expect rationality, consistency, or probity from people who support Trump. That they admire a moral pig like Trump is all you need to know about their character. The GEEEZus folks forgive every moral failing Trump is guilty of, so long as he hugs a flag. That proves it, doesn't it? That he loves America!
ReplyDeleteI'm going right to Godwin's Law now: Hitler also loved the Vaterland and his cultists loved Hitler for loving the Vaterland, while he rounded up men, women, and children and sent them to the ovens. A fake hug to the American flag is all any crook or scoundrel needs to win over the current Goopers.
Elizabeth Warren, the Last of the Fauxhicans...
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