According to Congressional testimony by Victoria Nuland, "Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities". Which to trumper tinfoil hatters means, "YES, there are bio weapons labs in Ukraine".
The Putin fan Mystere (posting using his Rattrapper ID) believes it. And he believes it justified Russia's attack. They had to go in to take out the biolabs. Among other reasons (I'm sure).
As per PoltiFact, "The U.S. Defense Department and the Ukraine Ministry of Health have had a partnership since 2005 to improve public health laboratories and prevent the threat of outbreaks of infectious diseases".
But magamorons like Mystere believe these labs were producing "bioweapons" (like the covid virus) to attack Russia with. Means (to Mystere) that "some of the fighting was needed to destroy biolabs".
Victoria Nuland is a neocon. Her husband, Robert Kagan co-founded (along with William Kristol) The Project For a New American Century aka PNAC. Some people say that "PNAC played a key role in shaping the foreign policy of the Bush Administration, particularly in building support for the Iraq War".
Why now republicans are not Nuland fans. Saying NOW they are "anti-war". Not previously, when bush lied us into two wars. Not then. Now.
Here is a post from Mystere's "Cleveland Foxers" blog.
So, Obama "blundered" by getting us out of Iraq, Mystere? And Iraq should have thanked us for invading their country and deposing Saddam Hussein?
| From 2003 to 2005 Victoria Nuland was principal foreign policy advisor to Vice President Dick Cheney who "helped plan and manage the war that toppled Saddam Hussein, including making Bush administration's case for preemptive military actions based on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction". link |
So Mystere was pro-war with Iraq. Same as Victoria Nuland. But now that maga has taken over the republican party, Mystere is "anti-war"? Why? Because donald tRump is Putin's puppet.
If donald tRump wasn't Putin's puppet AND still president? I think Mystere would be totally in favor of the United States sending aid to Ukraine. I say he'd be demanding it. And he'd probably have nice things to say about Victoria Nuland. But, as a member of the Orange Turd cult, Mystere believes what his cult leader tells him to believe.
So, no "thank you" to Victoria Nuland from Mystere. Instead Mystere suggests Nuland is going to be sent to Gitmo. But she'll avoid this fate by retiring and possibly turning "state's evidence" by testifying against the "Biden Crime Clan". Then the "truth" about those bio-weapons labs will be revealed? Because Nuland apprarently knows all about them.
Nice trick. Throw the word "weapons" in to make the statement false. Nobody has claimed that Ukraine was producing actual biological weapons, only that they were researching biology and biologics for the purpose of "potential future weaponization". Just like at the Wuhan Institute. All Weaponization requires is a means of dispersing the biologics. It's what makes it a "weapon". Anthrax sitting in a lab isn't a "weapon". Anthrax in an aerosol dispensing mechanism is.
ReplyDeleteps - Sometimes the aerosol dispersing mechanism is a human being. THAT is what happened at Wuhan. One of their researchers inhaled the virus and became the biologic dispersing mechanism.... the "weapon". As soon as a Ukrainian does the same, it will be true. Ukraine will have produced a biological weapon.
ReplyDelete...but since you are "Mr. Literal" with no caritas that would acknowledge the "truth" in other people's assertions, take pride in your "technically correct" argument. At least until the day 6 billion corpses of dead people surround you.
ReplyDeleteTrying to pull a few fast ones, Dervish? You failed, Assface! Why did you pull an old Cleveland Foxers post from 2011, Buttstench Dervish? That post was for 2011. Decisions have consequences, Dervish. You voted that jackal 0bama into office, neither Mystere and I voted for him.
ReplyDeleteYou keep sticking your foot in your mouth, Assface Dervish. How does your foot taste after you walk through that sewage swamp on your property?
By the way, Mystere was right. Let's not forget October 7 2023, the day your buddies terrorized and butchered Jewish babies in Israel for kicks, and you gloated with glee over it. That's what happens when your farting pants pooping boy Biden pulled out of Afghanistan while leaving behind huge caches of military weapons for Iran to swipe and arm HamAss pigs with.
Ukraine bioweapons conspiracy theory. In March 2022, during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian officials falsely claimed that public health facilities in Ukraine were "secret U.S.-funded biolabs" purportedly developing biological weapons...
ReplyDeleteTHAT is the rightturd conspiracy theory. That Ukraine was developing bioWEAPONS to use against Russia. The tweet being debunked by PolitiFact contains the word "weapon". So Mystere's comment said "biolabs" instead of "bioweapon labs"? Regardless, that is what he was talking about.
Otherwise how is "some of the fighting was needed to destroy biolabs" justified? Because having biolabs is NO justification for another country to invade to destroy research faculties. Many sovereign nations have them.
Or do you think biological research is banned under international law? Maybe Canada or Mexico will invade the US to destroy our biolabs? And that fighting would be needed? Maybe Russia will invade us next to take out our biolabs? And you'd support it? Maybe join in the fighting on Russia's side?
Minus: Nobody has claimed that Ukraine was producing actual biological weapons...
Nobody?
Tucker Carlson: Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, it's hardly a hotbed of biomedical research. We're assuming these weren't pharmaceutical labs, probably not developing new leukemia drugs. From your answer, Toria Nuland, we would assume because you all but said it that there is a military application to this research. They were working on bio weapons. 3/9/2022.
Minus: THAT is what happened at Wuhan. One of their researchers inhaled the virus and became the biologic dispersing mechanism.... the "weapon".
No. That hasn't been proven.
Most scientists remain skeptical of the possibility of a laboratory origin, citing a lack of any supporting evidence for a lab leak and the abundant evidence supporting zoonosis. Though some scientists agree a lab leak should be examined as part of ongoing investigations, politicization remains a concern. In July 2022, two papers published in Science described novel epidemiological and genetic evidence that suggested the pandemic likely began at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market and did not come from a laboratory. link
Mystere: By the way, Mystere was right.
ReplyDeleteYou're Mystere. Everyone knows this. You aren't fooling anyone.
Mystere: ...neither Mystere and I voted for him.
You and Mystere voted for the other candidate. The war criminal gwb. That a-hole who took advantage of a terrorist attack to lie the US into TWO wars. btw, unless you broke the law, "you and Mystere" cast ONE vote between you. Because YOU ARE MYSTERE. And one person voting twice is illegal.
Mystere: ...the day your buddies terrorized and butchered Jewish babies in Israel for kicks...
Bullshit. I don't know anyone in Hamas. The Hamas terrorists aren't my "buddies". The Hamas terrorists deserve to die for what they did.
Mystere: ...and you gloated with glee over it.
What makes you say that, Mystere? You think you "read between the lines" like you did when you falsely accused RN of being an antisemite?
I criticized NuttenYahoo who you falsely claim is "God's chosen leader"? That means I "gloated with glee" over the loss of innocent Israeli lives?
I say YOU gloated with glee, Mystere. Mystere was so happy about Israelis being slaughtered because he knew it could be spun as bad for Joe Biden. And because it provided an opportunity for you to falsely accuse people opposed to the Orange Turd of being antisemitic. Mystere DEFINITELY gloated with glee in response to the ongoing loss of life in Gaza. Same as Minus FJ. That makes both of you very happy.
Mystere: That post was for 2011.
Exactly. Proof that you are a bigly hypocrite. In 2011 you supported the neocon war on Iraq. Pushed by the neocon Victoria Nuland. Now you criticize her. You're probably a retconned Iraq war opposer. Yes?
What was the stated purpose for US funding of the biolabs?
ReplyDeleteUS to Ukraine, "Here are some C4 explosive production factories, but they are to be used for defensive purposes only , like blowing up undetonated bombs dropped by the enemy. Be sure and test what you C4 produce on bombs you believe your enemy will drop so as to insure it will work on all possible bomb variants." LOL!
THAT way we can claim that we aren't supplying Ukraine with any WEAPONS.... we're only supplying a single element in a BINARY weapon. The explosive charge, and NOT the shrapnel damage inflicting projectile casing that a WEAPON would inflict. e-r-r-r-r-p!
ReplyDeleteWhat you just wrote contradicts your "nice trick" comment. You are saying Ukraine biolabs were making bioweapons.
ReplyDeleteNo "trick". The truth. As you just admitted.
Has Ukraine deployed any bioweapons?
FYI, "The Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) effectively prohibits the development, production, acquisition, transfer, stockpiling and use of biological and toxin weapons".
Russia is committing war crimes, not Ukraine.
I'm saying that they aren't making bioweapons. There only making the "bio" component of a bioweapon. They'll "deploy" them once lab workers get careless and INHALE them.
ReplyDeletebtw - The BWC bans:
ReplyDeleteThe development, stockpiling, acquisition, retention, and production of:
Biological agents and toxins "of types and in quantities that have no justification for prophylactic, protective or other peaceful purposes;"
Weapons, equipment, and delivery vehicles "designed to use such agents or toxins for hostile purposes or in armed conflict."
The transfer of or assistance with acquiring the agents, toxins, weapons, equipment, and delivery vehicles described above.
See the loopholes yet? Quantity. Delivery vehicles. Acquiring (not "developing")
They aren't doing it in "quantity". They'll do that when they break out of the treaty.
ReplyDeleteI know a little bit about this. I spent 7 months working on the Chem Demil program out of APG-EA. I used to carry a bag around with me that had a gas mask (that I was certified to use) and two neurotoxin auto-injectors in it.
ReplyDeleteWe contracted out for unmanned robotic weapons destruction facilities, incineration facilities, and mustard gas neutralization process development to be managed by the USACE. I was there in late 2000/ early 2001.
ReplyDeletebtw - Johnston Atoll was where we used to test and characterize atomic weapons for EMP effectiveness back in the 50's/60s before the Space test ban treaty got signed.... after that (an accidental explosion directly overhead) contaminated it, it became a chemical weapons storage (and then destruction) site (after removing the topsoil).
ReplyDeleteMinus: I'm saying that they aren't making bioweapons. There only making the "bio" component of a bioweapon. They'll "deploy" them once lab workers get careless and INHALE them.
ReplyDeleteSo Russia secured the labs and prevented that from happening? What about Russia's biolabs? Who is going to seize the Russian biolabs and prevent biological agents from being inhaled by Russian lab workers?
I heard Russian is doing a bad job securing Ukraine's nuclear power plants. Biological agents could be escaping from Ukraine labs right now. Ones that were seized by Russia. Why in the hell would you trust Russia to secure these dangers?
Minus: They aren't doing it in "quantity". They'll do that when they break out of the treaty.
Who is "they"? Ukraine or Russia? Maybe NATO needs to invade Russia ASAP to stop them from deploying bioweapons? Secure Russian biolabs? deNazify Russia?
Some have pointed out the far right received only 2% of the vote in Ukraine’s 2019 parliamentary elections, far less than in most of Europe.
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about Alexei Navalny, hero of Western Media? He was a Nazi, and Putin put him in prison, where he died. So Putin IS already de-Nazifying Russia.
He is only one person. Russia is still has lots of Nazis in it.
ReplyDeleteNeo-Nazism in Russia\Ties to the Russian government... Since the 2004 Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Russian government has been routinely accused of collaborating with neo-Nazis in order to fight domestic opposition to Vladimir Putin. This policy, known as managed nationalism, led to the increased prominence of the Russian Image group until its collapse in 2009 after the arrest of its leaders for the murders of Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova. Court documents at the trials of Russian Image leaders revealed that the organisation had connections to the Presidential Administration of Russia, that wanted "an organisation, dependent on the authorities, which could control the Russian far right".
Since the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation and the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War in 2014, connections between the Russian government and neo-Nazi groups have once again been noted in international news outlets. In particular, the Russian Imperial Movement have been noted for their large number of volunteers, including white supremacist militants from throughout Europe. Initially important in supporting Russian forces during the 2014–2022 War in Donbas, their relevance has decreased with the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Wasn't the West pushing the propaganda that Putin was a Nazi in 2014 for issuing Russian passports to Russians in Ukraine after the US sponsored coup?
ReplyDeleteps - Why does you timeline start in 2004? Could the real reason be any more evident?
ReplyDeleteSeven partner countries officially became members of NATO on 29 March 2004: Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia, bringing the total membership of the Alliance to 26. They had been invited to start accession talks with NATO at the Prague Summit in November 2002.
The "orange revolution"... NATO/CIA/Ukrainian PsyOps
ReplyDeleteThe PsyOp begins...
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