After Joe Biden defeated donald tRump in the 2020 election, but before VP Pence certified the results, false prophet Robin Bullock (a liar who trafficked his soul to Satan for 42 million dollars) prophesied that VP Pence would have the courage to do the right thing and (as per a 1/5/2021 Dotard tweet) "reject fraudulently chosen electors".
| Partial transcription of audio from a YouTube dated 9/11/2021... although Bullock is obviously talking about (and making predictions concerning) events prior to VP Pence (in a ceremonial role) certifying the 2020 election results...
Bloodthristy Democrats love killing kids. ...people try to declare oh this has nothing to do with the physical. Nothing to do with the physical really. Well tell 345,600 babies in the fiscal year of 2018. That it had nothing to do with the physical when the nation was almost swimming in their blood ... This fight is mainly over the slaughter of the innocent. You cannot believe I know that people in political realms would go to such lengths just to kill children. Donald tRump won in a landslide ...you see, donald trump, a man who gave up everything, even to his own cut in pay, for a life he did not have to do. That's right he - listen now - he has already been elected. No I'm... not making that plain I guess. And i'm sure under this video today YouTube will put, "uh they have confirmed Joe Biden as this and this this". He [Donald tRump] has already won the presidency. He won it that night. God is in control. Unless people don't listen to him. ...and make no mistake it's going to try to culminate on the 6th [although] we think, "well it was prophesied. It's got to happen. don't it brother Robin?". No it don't. Because the church has been taught a lie. The same thing Islam believes believe it or not. If an islamic - some extremist gets on an airplane and crashes it somewhere - he believes it was the will of god that he do it. If he decides not to do it at the last minute? It was the will of god that decided not to do it at the last minute. If he decides to veer left it was the will of god that he veered left. If he decides to go up a little bit and then go down it was the will of god in his mind to do that. If he says two words today it was the will of Allah that happened. [Allah is what] they call God. If, no matter what he does - or she does - it's the will of their god. ...does that sound familiar to you? Well God's in control. And Allah is not God. He was one of 360 gods that Mohammed picked out because he could slaughter people under his name. But the one true living god the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - the god and father of our Lord Jesus Christ the only true god. Jesus the only king of kings and lord of lords. He's god. But when you turn and say he's in control? Really? There was a Vietnam correspondent back during the Vietnam war one of the most horrible wars this nation has ever seen. A war that our men and our young boys were just bodies thrown in front of bullets. A war they were thrown into and There was a correspondent. He wasn't even a Christian. Said he wasn't a Christian. He was covering the war and after the atrocities. ... This correspondence said "I've always heard that God is in control". Now this guy's not even Saved. But he wrote this in a big article. He said "I've always heard everybody say God's in control ... After what I've seen, if God is... in control... he's got this world in a mess. Because there's been one world war after another. God opposes the "slaughter of babies" aka "Human sacrifice" that Joe Biden supports. I don't know how many babies murdered to this date in abortion mills, but I know it's over 30 million this year. This year! Nine midwestern states was the last count anyone could fill up with the babies that have been slaughtered. Whole generations have been taken. Do you think God's in control of that? He's against human sacrifice. Condemns human sacrifice and forbids human sacrifice. How can you say he wants Joe Biden as president when he's going -- the first day in office killed 345,600 babies in the coming year? Proof God is in control, but only if people listen to him. We've got it all squirreled up God's in control. He'll just do what He wants to. ...brother Robin, He didn't do what He wanted to with you until you decided to let Him. He wanted to save you how many years ago? How many times did you turn him away before you accepted him? Well I thought, He's in control. He said i'm not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But everybody's not going to repent. There will be people in Hell - you do know that, right? - but it wasn't God's will for [What I think Bullock is saying is that tRump will become president - because he has already won - but only if Mike Pence submits to God's will and rejects the "fraudulently chosen electors". Which, obviously he did not. Mike Pence did not play his part to stop the slaughter of innocent babies]. |
This rightwing "pastor" believes himself to be a "prophet" in communication with God. Or (more likely) he lies to his followers about being a prophet in communication with God. Though (as per the transcript above) his prophecies can be foiled. If people God calls on fail to do their part. Why low-IQ trumpers like Mystere will never stop believing. These "prophets" can't be wrong. If their prophecy does't come to pass it's not their fault.
In this case the prophecy not coming to pass was clearly Mike Pence's fault. Why he won't be the GOP nominee for potus in 2024. Yet, apparently Mike Pence thinks he could be the nominee and possibly the next president. I say he (if he does run) will drop out quickly. The evilvangelical base (deluded fools like Mystere who think they are Christians) have to hate him for his betrayal. LOL.
Another low-IQ trumper, "Nancy CubaCanada", regarding the video above writes (in the YouTube comments): "I have a question because I became little confused. If the Lord gives a prophecy maybe happen or maybe don't? Trump was willing and fighting for the government, the church was praying, the people voted for him. I believe what the Lord said about Trump will happen".
Ha ha ha. It did not happen and will not happen. Mike Pillow delusions aside. Dotard isn't going to be reinstated. The people didn't vote for him. Or, more people voted for Joe Biden. The election wasn't stolen.
Though (as it has recently been revealed) it wasn't because God told Mike Pence to do his part so his "chosen one" Dotard would be reinstalled... and Mike told God NO. Or maybe he did tell God NO? In which case I've got to wonder (given that Pence is super religious)... why would Mike listen to Dan Quayle over God?
According to a post on Mystere's blog, "The thief Biden will fall and the one chosen will return". The "one chosen" being Dotard.
ReplyDeleteYeah, The One Chosen, by satan or a demon. Which is actual;ly in tune with the destructive policies currently consuming the west. Especially the USA.
ReplyDeleteThe Dotard worshippers are completely divorced from reality.
ReplyDeleteRemember when Minus and JoeCon were sure that evidence would point to all the fraud in the 2020 elections? And what have they shown? NOTHING! NADA! NIENTE!
They've been wrong about EVERYTHING!
Tomorrow's the big AZ Audit "reveal".
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DeleteHahahaha... is this the same audit you previously stated would indeed be biased? Is this the audit from Cyber Ninja's, currently defying a court order to comply with a FOIA request to release audit related documents? A request that has been upheld by two separate courts? Is this the audit that is claiming that their audit is not official and therefore not subject to state record preservation laws? The same audit that is claimed to be the most transparent in history?
DeleteThat audit?
It's the audit that will precede the Georgia audit. :)
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ReplyDeleteRepublican Review of Arizona Vote Fails to Show Stolen Election
DeleteA draft of the much criticized review in the state’s largest county showed 99 more Biden votes and 261 fewer Trump ones.
To Minus Eff Jay,
When are you going to admit to your foolishness over the lie that the 2020 election was stolen?
Are your foolish links to silly videos just a game for you? Can you actually be so easily bamboozled by Trump and his cadre of lies and liars?
It seems so. Will this report make you wise up? Or will you continue to cling to your irresponsible claims of Trump's Big Lie?
I think you owe answers to Dervish's readers.
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ReplyDelete"Conspiracy Firm Behind Arizona Audit Defies Order to Release Behind-the-Scenes
ReplyDeleteSOMETHING’S FISHY IN MARICOPA
Cyber Ninjas is fighting an order to release communications about the GOP-led Arizona election audit, despite a judge repeatedly ruling they must do so."
Days before the long-delayed conclusion of an Arizona vote “audit” of the 2020 election—one that conspiracy blogs trumpeted as the “MOST TRANSPARENT AUDIT EVER”—the conspiratorial group behind the effort is fighting a court order to turn over internal documents.
Cyber Ninjas, an obscure Florida tech company with no prior elections experience, has been leading a chaotic review of Maricopa County, Arizona’s 2020 presidential election since April. The months-long effort has been a fiasco both technically (auditors caused nearly $3 million in damage to voting machines and caught COVID en masse) and politically (Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan was revealed to be an election truther who collaborated with Trump attorney Sidney Powell on voter fraud theories). In August, a judge ruled that Cyber Ninjas must turn over audit-related documents by mid-September, following a pair of public records lawsuits from the Arizona Republic and the transparency group American Oversight."
What are those clowns afraid of? They're so afraid that they're defying a court of law's order? LOL! Yeah. That's exactly what legitimate folks do when they have legitimate information.
What a bunch of charlatans!
Maricopa County: Draft of Cyber Ninjas election review says Biden won. So Minus is going to stop saying Democrats cheated and Joe Biden isn't the real president?
DeleteIs anyone taking bets on whether or not Minus/JoeCon will admit they've been wrong?
DeleteIf the report says that Biden won "fair and square"... I'll admit whatever needs admitting.
DeleteShaw... it's like the GOP extremists who are afraid of what may come out about the Jan 6 tour of the capitol. Why not open up the documents and communications between folks? After all, it's the GOP and the far right claiming nothing nefarious happened.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't simply opening up those documents prove their point?
I imagine that opening up those documents would prove something the January 6 insurrectionists don't want the American people to know.
Delete100% agree. Otherwise, to use standard GOP Law & Order speak, why wouldn't the agree to this? If you're innocent, you have nothing to fear.
DeleteSo we've been told for years when poor people, people of color and homeless folks get arrested or questioned.
We should open up the FBI's internal memo's about Jan 6... since they seem to have run the Capitol break-in.
DeleteLOL. Conspiracy theory BS. Reminds me of the following TownHall idiocy I read recently...
DeleteKurt Schlichter... Well, the hyped-up September 18th rally for the January 6th political prisoners – and they are political prisoners – was a bigger bust than a Bulwark staffer's wedding night, though with fewer tears. There was plenty of laughter though, especially at the hilariously inept G-Men mingling with the tiny crowd in their best “Hello, fellow insurrectionists" matching outfits of shades, big plastic watches, and jeans shorts with adorable cuffed legs. Whoever told these identically coiffed F-bois to dress like they were hitting up a Dave Matthews Band concert deserves a medal; you just look at them and know that half of them are named "Jason". Or Tyler.
It looks more and more like the GOP and the TGOP (trump GOP) are rapidly becoming the anti democracy Subversive Party of America.
ReplyDeleteIt ain't gonna get any better any time soon. Power lust has so corrupted the party there is likely little can be done. You can bet the orangutans like mcconnel, graham, grassely, pence, mccarthy, et all are training the next generation of greedy and non compassionate orangutans to take over.
More popcorn, pretzels, and beer. There is a party going on.
Derv and others... Today is the big day!
ReplyDeleteThe results of the Arizona Maricopa Audit will be revealed today. But we got a preview last night and guess what?
The election was not only not rigged, but somehow Trump lost votes in the process. The audit so many crazies were sure would show that the election was stolen from Trump, actually resulted in a finding that Trump was credited with too many votes.
Joe Biden won by more votes than we imagined.
It looks like it's time for these supposed "Constitution Loving" extremists to go back to salivating over John Eastman's memo to the Trump Admin on how to overthrow a valid, proven, fraud free election in November 2020.
Donald J Trump, as Hillary Clinton did in 2016, lost fair and square.
American decided that we did not want him as our president.
That's your problem Dervish. You believe the pre-Report "spin" or "partisan leak" instead of the actual report.
Deleteerratum- Swap "Dave" for "Dervish" above
DeleteWell -FJ... I think everyone typically takes out of things like this what they want. It's 12:50 PST now. I guess we have 10 more minutes to see...
DeleteAs we wait to hear f jay admidt his illusions were exactly that. ILLUSIONS
ReplyDeleteSorry folks, you won't get any apologies from me. The audit has revealed serious and significant discrepancies and defects in the 2020 Arizona election that indicate that if the next election is conducted in the same manner, voters should have NO CONFIDENCE in the announced results. Some serious procedural corrections are needed, and the system needs to be INDEPENDENTLY monitored/audited on a REGULAR basis to prevent another 2020-like loss of confidence.
DeleteSome of the more egregious examples:
DeleteThe audit has discovered 263,139 ballot images on the election system that are corrupt and unreadable TIFF format images.
The total number of ballot images that exist within the body of computer forensics material provided for the audit is substantially less than the official vote totals and the total number of paper ballots audited. 21,273 ballot images are entirely missing from the forensics images of the election equipment. This means that there are electronic votes recorded, but no actual ballot images that correspond to the votes. This makes it impossible to fully validate the results or confirm that the Election Management System (EMS) was not tampered with.
Sorry, Thersites.
DeleteYou can fill the Derv's blog with all the italisized clap-trap you like. That won't change the fact that the Fraudit was just that: FRAUD. And Joe Biden won Arizona fair and square.
Oh yeah, and also, Donald Trump is a lying liar and sore loser!
And I, for one, find your italicized text dubious. Where did it come from? Cyber Ninjas? The incompetent clowns?
PS. None of us expected an apology from you and your sock puppets. Just like Trump, you never admit to your wrongs. Ever. And that makes it difficult to take you seriously on anything.
Arizona proved just how mismanaged and dysfunctional our election process is. There isn't nearly enough attention being paid to keeping this essential/ sacred institution running honestly. The system is rife with a civil-service infused bureaucratic incompetence that facilitates fraud.
Delete-FJ... it is entirely possible that our election process is "mismanaged and dysfunctional."
DeleteBut the audit in Arizona proved, that even if what you say is true, the outcome of the election was not affected. Joe Biden won in November and after the audit, he was shown, for the third time, to have won.
And that will be the same in state after state after state.
Re the "corrupt and unreadable TIFF format images", how do we know Cyber Ninja ineptitude isn't responsible for their corruption? Or maybe they corrupted these files on purpose?
DeleteQuote: Experts say there should be little anticipation about the revelations from the Maricopa County audit — and whatever those revelations are, they cannot be taken seriously. "There are too many flaws in the way this review was conducted to trust it", said Trey Grayson, a former Republican secretary of state in Kentucky who was the coauthor of a paper outlining the extensive problems.
Yes, Dave, a completely corrupt and dysfunctional election system let Joe Biden win in 2020. Will you applaud it when it elects the next Republican Deep State ringer President?
DeleteIt wasn't completely corrupt. republicans are working hard to corrupt it for future elections. And they're making a lot of progress. fyi, Biden won DESPITE the existing corruption (the majority of the corruption favoring republicans). So, no, we won't applaud. You SURELY will however. If Dotard runs again and "wins" (steals back the White House).
DeleteLet's not forget that Chicago's Richard Daily and NY's Tammany Hall, invented the corrupt voting "system", and were Democrats.
DeleteThis perfectly describes Thersites and the Trump cultists:
ReplyDelete"After all the scurrying, searching, sifting, speculating, hand-counting and bamboo-hunting had ended, Republicans’ post-mortem review of election results in Arizona’s largest county wound up only adding to President Biden’s margin of victory there.
But for those who have tried to undermine confidence in American elections and restrict voting, the actual findings of the Maricopa County review that were released on Friday did not appear to matter in the slightest. Former President Donald J. Trump and his loyalists redoubled their efforts to mount a full-scale relitigation of the 2020 election.
Any fleeting thought that the failure of the Arizona exercise to unearth some new trove of Trump votes or a smoking gun of election fraud might derail the so-called Stop the Steal movement dissipated abruptly. As draft copies of the report began to circulate late Thursday, Trump allies ignored the new tally, instead zeroing in on the report’s specious claims of malfeasance, inconsistencies and errors by election officials.
Significant parts of the right treated the completion of the Arizona review as a vindication — offering a fresh canard to justify an accelerated push for new voting limits and measures to give Republican state lawmakers greater control over elections. It also provided additional fuel for the older lie that is now central to Mr. Trump’s political identity: that the 2020 election was stolen from him."
"...after news of the Arizona report had circulated for hours, the group [a Wisconsin group looking for an audit of the 2020 election] sent supporters a warning: “Arizona is either going to support our efforts in Wisconsin,” it wrote, “or it will cause us to be a dog with our tail between our legs and run for the hills!”
Put your tail between your legs and run for the hills, Thersites, Minus Eff Jay, and JoeCon.
They should be treated for what they are: anti-democratic, pro-fascist outlaws.
Nothing can be more anti-democratic and pro-fascist than complaining about ELECTION AUDITS.
DeleteNothing can be more anti-democratic and pro-fascist than running a fake election audit, which is what the Cyber Ninja fraudit was.
DeleteYour proof? It didn't produce the results Democrats wanted to see.
DeleteLOL!
wtf are you talking about? The Cyber Ninja report confirmed Biden's win. It didn't produce the results trumpers wanted to see.
DeleteIt produced a list of systemic election deficiencies requiring correction before any vote "counting" can even become meaningful, let alone trustworthy.
DeleteSo they say. AFTER they confirmed Joe Biden's win. They had to come up with something to justify the waste of money. Something that would allow trumpers to continue saying there was fraud. Also something to justify more voter suppression laws. Laws that will make the counting meaningless. Because preventing people from voting isn't democracy.
Delete"While the draft report notes that 23,344 mail-in ballots were voted from a prior address, that doesn’t necessarily indicate intentional wrongdoing. For example, more than 15,000 people who voted by mail from a prior address moved within Maricopa County prior to the registration deadline, according to the draft.
ReplyDeleteThe forensic audit of the 2020 election in Maricopa County, where Phoenix is located, was initiated by the Republican-controlled Arizona state Senate in the months after Trump became the first GOP presidential candidate since 1996 to lose the state.
The state Senate hired a Florida-based firm called Cyber Ninjas to lead the audit, which was funded largely by nonprofit groups tied to proponents of Trump’s rigged election claims.
A draft report that leaked ahead of the release of the official audit report, however, reaffirmed Biden as the winner of the presidential election in Maricopa County.
In fact, it showed the president winning 99 more votes than he did in the certified ballot count last year. Trump, meanwhile, came up 261 votes short of where he stood in last year’s official results.
Despite that, the draft report refrains from saying the findings are conclusive and recommends a series of legislative reforms to address some issues with the elections system. Nevertheless, the draft report doesn’t contain evidence of the kind of widespread voter fraud that Trump and his allies have alleged."
Thersites, Minus Eff Jay, and JoeCon are gaslighting in italics!
Who said anything about intentional wrongdoing? It was simply enough to lawfully "not count the improper votes tendered."
DeleteThe ballots in my county vary by district. The people in my district elect my district reps.
DeleteHere's what strikes me about the folks crying fraud. We've seen time after time, from Republican sources that the actual instances of voter fraud are miniscule.
ReplyDeleteOver the last 20 years, there have been few substantiated charges of voter fraud, even when the GOP has investigated.
Simply put, the instances of fraud are so small, why is a specific group so intent on enacting more laws to fix a problem that doesn't really exist?
Maybe because the problem the extremist partisans are trying to fix is the one numerous GOP politicians, including former President Trump have voiced over the years...
If we allow all the Democrats to vote, the GOP will never win another election!
Those aren't Dem talking points, they are the actual words of GOP politicians.
We've heard for the 18 months howling about Covid restrictions, masks and vaccines from this same crowd. Why they asked, for a disease that a clear majority of people recover from, that is really not much more than the flu, do we need all of these restrictions? Are the nanny state ppl trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist?
Maybe the -FJ's, thersites, et al should apply the same logic to voting.
Since there has only been a few cases where voter fraud has changed an election in the last 10-15 years, and those were from the GOP, maybe it is time to shut up and help more Americans vote in our elections, develop a standardized set of regulations for the states and tell the ppl working to sow distrust in a system that has served us well for over 200 years to get lost.
Here's an interesting read.
ReplyDeleteA perusal of the opening few arguments show that conservatives don't believe we need to be worried about finding solutions to problems when the supposed problems we are solving are minuscule or non existent
A Covid Cribsheet
Since even the great majority of people in the US do not believe our elections are rife with fraud, and indeed, we have no evidence of such, why the headlong rush of the right to solve a nonexistent problem?
One can only surmise it's because the current GOP either does not believe that all Americans have a right to vote, or they are calling into question how some people, like Muhammad Ali in the 60's, can even be considered Americans.
Also, people like Thersites and his sock puppets NEVER, NEVER, NEVER call into question any election where Republicans win. And neither did Trump yell about fraud when he won.
ReplyDeleteGreg Sargent: "If anything, the audit’s conclusion only confirms the very worst suspicions that have arisen about the true significance of Trump’s continuing insistence that the election was stolen from him, the response of many Republicans to that mythologizing, and the broader continuing threat all this poses.
ReplyDeleteThat’s because it’s already clear that some Republicans will not use the audit news to affirm that confidence in our election system has been restored. Instead, they’ll use it to continue undermining that confidence, for the express purpose of justifying further anti-democratic tactics."
This is EXACTLY what Thersites, Minus Eff Jay, and JoeCon are doing. Their "concern" about fraud in elections is not sincere. They have a completely different agenda.
And that agenda is to restrict voting.
More from Greg Sargent:
"Like many others, I expected that this audit would flagrantly manufacture evidence that the election was stolen from Trump. I was wrong about that. However, this outcome does confirm many of our worst suspicions, as the draft itself shows that the audit’s function was, and is, to continue sowing doubts about our election system.
Which blows up another GOP big lie: the notion that such audits are merely about “restoring confidence” in our elections and in “election integrity.”
Oozing with unctuously phony piety, Republicans told us again and again and again that this audit was merely about allaying the doubts of voters who have lost confidence in our elections, a specter that Republicans have widely used to justify voting restrictions everywhere.
But, now that this audit “confirmed” Biden’s win, it is still telling us that we should doubt our electoral outcomes, and that more voting restrictions are necessary to allay those doubts. Why, it’s almost as if that was the real point all along!"
The people on this thread who keep saying there was fraud are not operating in good faith. They want to perpetuate the lie that any election the GQP loses is a fraud, and therefore, voting restrictions are needed.
Re the above comments from Dave and Shaw: YES. I am in complete agreement. The Cyber Ninjas couldn't prove fraud but they cast doubt. And they got paid. Obviously Minus is satisfied, given that "proof" can't be found regarding a "stolen" election that wasn't stolen. Unless said "proof" is manufactured, doubt is as good as it gets. And that's still pretty good, as their fake doubt justifies (in their minds) unnecessary restrictions that will result in some citizens being unable to vote. Or too much of a hassle for them to vote.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's still pretty good, as their fake doubt justifies (in their minds) unnecessary restrictions that will result in some citizens being unable to vote. Or too much of a hassle for them to vote.
ReplyDeleteAnd that is, for them, a win. At least that's what they believe. Their illusions continually reinforce their passion for self deception of truth.
What they fail to realize is that the strong negative karma unleased by their negative actions will flow full circle and truth and justice will wash away the muck they nourish themselves with.
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DeleteOuttayerdaminde = trumpers.
DeleteBefore the trolls get back...
ReplyDeleteThe Wall Street Journal, never seen as "in the tank" for libs or Democrats, had this to say about the Arizona audit/recount...
"Former President Trump claims Arizona’s ballot audit found 'massive fraud,' yet the new recount says he actually lost the state by 360 more votes than originally reported. He is now demanding an audit of the 2020 election in . . . Texas, which he won by nearly six points. When are Republicans going to quit playing this game?"
"On Friday Mr. Trump was set to Defcon 1, saying the audit found 'incomprehensible Fraud at an Election Changing level,' and demanding that Arizona 'immediately decertify their 2020 Presidential Election Results.' Is anyone surprised? This is what Mr. Trump does, regardless of the facts. Remember in 2016, when he said the results of the Iowa Caucus should be “nullified” based on “the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz ”?
Of course now the sock puppets will claim the WSJ has never favored conservatives and the GOP and those pointing out Trump's latest fraud lies are part of the "Deep State."
Not much we can if people willfully ignore facts, truth and the will of over 80 million Americans in our last election.
The WSJ isn't in the tank for global capital? Who knew? I thought that that was the reason why they called it the "Wall Street" journal instead of the "Main Street Journal".
DeleteMaricopa County reported 58,550 voters who had received mail ballots but were issued standard ballots on Election Day. The County identifies these as “real-time Provisional Ballots.” There is no mention of real-time provisional in the AZ Elections Procedures Manual. In fact, the EPM specifically addresses this circumstance and is clear that such voters must be issued a Provisional ballot.
DeleteCan you spell "M-A-I-L_F-R-A-U-D"?
DeleteAgain Joe et al... at the end of the day, you've got to show actual votes, by actual people, that are fraudulent.
DeleteIf George used to live on Elm Street, but moved to Vine Ave, he is still entitled to vote. Period.
Now, he may be a wrong precinct, but that does not he surrenders his constitutional right to vote. He can go and vote provisionally and the people working for the Sec of State will sort it out when they do hand counts, as happened in Arizona.
Irregularities and even polling place problems are not voter fraud. And there's no evidence that any fraud was found in AZ.
So polling places aren't required to follow their own laws and procedures on election day? They can make it up as they go. Who knew?
DeleteForget it, Dave. There's no reasoning with conspiracy kooks. Thersites, JoeCon, and Minus Eff Jay will never admit to ANYTHING! They're incapable because their belief in the Big Lie is a symptom of their lack of critical thinking.
ReplyDeleteCritical Thinking and the Rejection of Unsubstantiated Claims
This chapter examines how critical thinking and a dual-process theory of thinking are related to endorsement of unsubstantiated knowledge claims. Rejecting unsubstantiated claims, such as psychological misconceptions and pseudoscience, is associated with being more inclined and better able to think critically. In dual-process theory terms, people who endorse more unsubstantiated claims tend to rely more on intuitive thinking and less on rational-analytic thinking. Helping people to resist making a rapid, intuitive response to unsubstantiated claims and instead to take a slower, more rational, critical thinking approach can help them reject such claims.
No matter how many times they are presented with facts and evidence, that trio of sock puppets will come up with some cockamamie theory to reject it.
The Mother Ship captain is moaning about the Trumpublicans not being taken seriously. Yeah. Well, when all they do is promote unproven claims of fraud in the 2020 election, that's what happens.
The Maricopa audit was supposed to show how Trump actually won Arizona but didn't because of fraud. That didn't happen; it actually showed Biden winning more votes and Trump losing more votes.
However, Thersites, JoeCon, Minus Eff Jay, and the entire crew over at the Mother Ship refuse to accept the outcome of what they said would be the ultimate proof of fraud.
How does one deal with people like that? You don't. They're incapable of allowing new information to dissuade them from their crazy conspiracy theories, which they hold onto because it's a sort of psychosis: "Symptoms of psychosis include delusions (false beliefs)"
They're all suffering from it. The best thing to do is ignore them. There's no reasoning with people suffering from delusions.
If their numbers were small. Unfortunately they're 20-30 percent of the population. That said, I think we need to pay attention to what they're doing. Because their delusions are resulting in moves toward the outright theft of elections. Their elected officials have already amped up suppression. And (if things don't go their way) terrorist acts are certainly a possibility. The terrorists already attacked the Capitol. More terrorism is surely being discussed/planned. Minus has warned that, next time they won't "larp" (more people are going to get killed).
DeleteIf there's no conspiracy, the polling places would follow the law and their own procedures. They don't, and you give them a pass, and call everyone who does "conspiracy theorists". As Saul Alinsky said in his Rules for Radicals, "make them follow their own rules".
DeleteJoe, the president of the US declared a national emergency for the pandemic. Government, as it has done here for years in such cases, had to adapt, in many cases, on the fly.
DeleteOur courts in the past, and again, in 2020, approved many of these ad hoc changes as reasonable, given the risk of disease transmission.
Since few election districts have the space or money to provide sufficient polling locations and maintain safe distances between unvaccinated people, what were our options?
The courts, with judges appointed by Presidents Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump, took in the evidence, arguments and made decisions all across the country, trying to balance the scales between existing law and a deadly, easily transmissible virus.
The result was record participation and the most secure election in US history according to the US Atty General, the Trump Admin, the Dept of Homeland Security, every single Secretary of State, every Governor and election officials across the land.
We're some process laws "set aside" to guarantee a safe exercise of our Constitutional right to vote? Yes. But the courts judged that the peoples right to safely vote during a deadly pandemic outweighed a need to follow the letter of the law. They judged that governments across the land had the competence to make sure those voting were indeed US citizens and had a right to vote.
And the evidence largely bears that out.
Again, many of us lefties ask, do any of you have evidence of widespread voter fraud?
Even you seem to have moved off of that unprovable charge, now leaning on mail fraud.
Dave: "Even you seem to have moved off of that unprovable charge, now leaning on mail fraud."
DeleteAnd he'll continue to move the goal posts for evidence. It's what they do because they cannot accept the results of the election; therefore, in their skewered minds, it HAD to have been fraudulent in some way, somehow!
You've pointed out how the the Trump appointed AG, and judges, the secretaries of states and governors of red states have all testified that the election was one of the safest in modern times.
That does not satisfy JoeCon and his pals because it doesn't fit with their dogma. They'll never be convinced or satisfied, because they cannot change the way their brains work. It's a lost cause trying to get them to see evidence and facts.
They'd rather stick to their fantasies.
California just permanently instituted fraud by mail voting. THAT is how you know Democrats aren't serious about fixing vote fraud.
DeleteVote fraud is insignificant andhashad no effect on election results. But pinheads like djt
DeleteAnd f jay are pusshing very hard to ATUALLY make it a reality.
Actually, the gop is an orgaizations of pinheads. Compliments of idiots like djt.
^^thinks absence of evidence is evidence of absence^^
Delete^^irrationally believes no voter fraud found is proof there is voter fraud^^
DeleteDespite political postal panic, Utah officials say voting by mail is safe, successful
ReplyDeleteUtah’s long history with voting by mail shows fraud isn’t an issue
The Red State That Isn’t Worried About a Mail-In Election
Utah has thoroughly embraced voting by mail with no problems. Why can’t the rest of the country follow suit?
Utah is among a handful of states where Republican-majority legislatures have passed measures making it easier, not harder, to vote
It's interesting that Minus Eff Jay is all in a dither over California doing what red state Utah has been doing for years.
Why isn't Minus Eff Jay's hair on fire over Republican Utah having universal vote-by-mail?
Utah always votes Republican and has universal vote-by-mail. But you never hear Trumpy or Minus complaining about fraud in Utah. Why is that?
Utah has "print your own ballots" like California? Who knew?
Delete“Can you print out more than one ballot? How are these verified and by whom? Why can’t these ballots be dropped off? Why must they be mailed?” asks Katy Grimes of California Globe. “What could possibly go wrong? Did California invent an audit-proof way to steal elections?”
DeleteFormer Rep. Jack Kingston: I know of one dropbox in Georgia that is being looked at. The dropbox averaged 6,000(?) ballots a day. Yet over Columbus Weekend, a three-day weekend, 19,000 votes were counted. But surveillance shows that only 24 people went to the dropbox. You can’t have that kind of ballot harvesting in the state of Georgia. So we have to look into this.
DeleteThe Sept. 17-20 survey found that 44 percent of U.S. adults believe the rules around voting are not strict enough to prevent votes from being cast illegally, a rarity in modern American elections, compared with 33 percent who say the rules make it too difficult for eligible citizens to cast their ballots.
Delete^^Clings to the hypernormal^^
ReplyDeleteYour pointers are to yourself.
DeleteLive your illusions and delusions mr. Stable Master of Sockpuppets f jay.
ReplyDeleteA lesson:
ReplyDeleteThe donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue." The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ." The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?" The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue." The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence." The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?" The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green." The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?" The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions.
Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand.
Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t. When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.
Les non-dupes errent, eh pShaw? That doesn't make me wrong, it only confirms who the real dupes are.
Delete"Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t. When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on."
DeleteSounds like I need to move on then...
DeleteYou won't.
DeleteWell posted Shaw.
ReplyDeleteIt is true that greed and ignorance are the main causes of strife and suffering in this world. Both are certainly in ample supply both here and across the globe.
Especially here in The "Good ole US oid A's conservatives and republican party.
This is for Derv, RN, and anyone else who's based in reality and not conspiracy fantasyland:
ReplyDelete"Instead of finding a treasure trove of uncounted Trump ballots, as conspirators had predicted, the pointless review of two million ballots in Maricopa County found that President Joe Biden defeated Trump by slightly more votes than the official count. This, after his crew of misfits inspected ballots for traces of bamboo to determine if they were snuck into to the U.S. from Asia. It made sense that [Howard] Kurtz would cover the results. It also made sense that Fox viewers would hate him for it.
"A little sad that when the GOP-commissioned and Trump-ally-funded Arizona audit found Biden got 99 more votes, people attack me & the media," Kurtz tweeted Sunday afternoon, after being bombarded by right-wing criticism online. "Raising questions about possible errors & fraud is not the same as proving them, and was reported. This is our tribal politics today."
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"If you watched Fox News over the last seven days you simply would not know there had been an Arizona ballot review, despite the fact Fox News covered the story on February 26, March 29, April 5, April 23, April 26, April 27, May 7, May 16, May 26, June 12, July 11, July 15, July 16, July 19, July 25, July 26, August 1, August 8, August 22, etc.
It’s true that Fox News got outflanked on the ‘audit’ story by far-far-right outlets such as OAN, which essentially co-sponsored the charade. But Fox made sure to give the proceedings plenty of positive coverage.
During Baier’s July 26 program, he set aside 10 minutes to dive into what he called a “a fair and balanced” look at the Arizona “audit.” One week earlier, when reporting on a statement Trump released about the ballot review, Baier noted, “He actually pointed to the reporting on this show on Friday.” On July 15, Sean Hannity told viewers that “shocking results” were being turned up in Arizona."
Shocking news to the conspiracists who ignore evidence and facts and cling to believing in unicorns and leprechauns.
While the audit did find that a hand-recount of all of the original ballots did widen Joe Biden's margin by several hundred votes, the press deliberately and steadfastly ignored and left unreported the most critical results of the draft audit. Included among those original ballots, the most comprehensive election audit ever conducted established the following:
DeleteMore than 23,000 mail-in votes were cast under voter IDs from people who should not have received their ballots by mail because they had moved.
More than 10,000 voters cast ballots in more than one county.
More than 9,000 mail-in ballots were returned and counted than had been mailed out of registered voters.
Thousands of official results did not match those who voted, and thousands more were cast in-person in the name of those who had moved out of state.
Logs and data files related to the election had been deliberately erased from the Election Management System (EMS) server, in violation of the law.
Thousands of original ballots were duplicated more than once.
Auditors were never provided with the required chain-of-custody documentation for the ballots, causing increased ambiguity regarding the accuracy of the election results.
None of the various systems related to the election had numbers that would balance and agree with one another.
Maricopa County officials actively interfered with the audit, withheld subpoena items, and refused to answer questions that are normally standard in such audits.
And yet in spite of all of those irregularities, the audit found no fraud, could produce not one double vote, noting. So the system worked.
DeleteAs it was designed.
No extra were found, no dead people voting, no unregistered people voting, nothing.
You guys are just mad because too many people voted and as Republicans have stated for years, "letting everyone vote will mean the GOP never wins elections."
Sorry boys... you want to win elections, show up with policies that a majority of Americans want and believe will improve our country.
Want to stand on law & order as it relates to voting? Show you really give a damn about those laws when white police officers beat citizens of color to death and when terrorists storm our, perhaps not your, capitol.
The "irregularities" WERE the FRAUD.
DeleteMore than 10,000 voters cast ballots in more than one county.
DeleteIs it legal to cast ballots in more than one county? No. It's FRAUD!
Why were there referrals to the DA if it wasn't?
DeleteEither count all the votes CORRECTLY or your so-called "Democracy" is DEAD!
DeleteFraud isn't the ONLY problem. So is government incompetence, malfeasance, and non-compliance with election laws.
DeleteI agree, especially and most certainly that when conservatives and republicans are in control of government incompetence, malfeasance, and non-compliance are at their best. And you pineads keep doing the same stinky BS.
DeleteSo what's the status of the 10,000 prosecutions?
DeleteAsk the AZ AG.
Delete:)
DeleteSeems that AZ Secretary of State is part of the Gyges Cloaking network.
DeleteOooops - As of 29 June 2021, Secretary of State Katie Hobbs's powers to defend state election laws were removed and given to Attorney General Mark Brnovich
DeleteBecause they're preparing to steal the next election if it doesn't go their way.
Delete"We win = everything was on the up and up".
"We lose = obviously there was fraud".
-FJ opined... "The "irregularities" WERE the FRAUD."
ReplyDeleteI wrote opinion because what you wrote is not fact. It's what you believe. Which of course is wrong.
Here's a couple of entries from the myriad of definitions of fraud we can find in dictionaries...
-wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
-a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
-Fraud is an intentionally deceptive action designed to provide the perpetrator with an unlawful gain or to deny a right to a victim.
The key concept here is intentionality. A voter making a mistake, or voting on another precinct, while an irregularity, cannot be considered fraud unless there was intent on the voter to defraud.
That intent is the same escape hatch conservatives used for the last 5 years to claim Trump and many extremists do not lie when they spout obviously inane and wrong theories. Since, the theory goes, they really believe what they are saying, they have no intent, thus to lie. A lie is a lie only when there is intent to deceive.
Applying that standard of intent makes your claim of irregularity being fraud wrong.
Now, before you get to the "That's your liberal viewpoint stuff" even the conservative Heritage Foundation agrees that intentionality must be present.
No Intent = No Fraud
Now I get that for years conservatives like yourself have been frustrated by us lefties using the law to gain access to the ballot and equal rights for women, people of color and others, but as I am sure you would agree, we are a country of laws and whether we like them or not, the Constitution demands we follow those laws.
Or, in the words of Justices Thomas and Scalia, change those laws.
:)
DeletePerhaps what FJ calls fraud, and Dave correctly identifies as opinion, can be desctibed in two words... wilful ignorance.
ReplyDeleteOr perhaps he only stands in for Thersites...
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