Possibly On Some Island Somewhere, Circa Late 1980s to Early 2000s...

Note: There is no documented evidence or credible allegation that Donald Trump ever visited Jeffrey Epstein's private island, Little St. James?

However...

1. Thanks to a tranche of declassified documents released earlier this year by U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi -- including the full flight logs from Epstein's private jet -- the answer is now clear. Yes, Trump was listed on least seven flights aboard Epstein’s plane. But the logs also complicate some of the more salacious speculation that has dogged him for years. 7/22/2025.

2. In August 2025, Tom Crosby, who described himself as a retired Canadian Airlines pilot, posted on Facebook that Trump's plane flew to Epstein's island "at least 37 times".

Various fact checking organizations have allegedly debunked this accusation. However, either of the following could be true.

1. Despite being very litigious, donald trump has never sued Tom Crosby for defamation. Why? He doesn't want the truth to be revealed in discovery.

2. donald trump never sued Tom Crosby because Crosby was hired to come forward specifically so this accusation could be "debunked", therefore "proving" that donald trump had never been to Epstein's island.

Similar to how fake documents were leaked to Dan Rather, thereby "debunking" the allegation that bush was AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard. When it turned out that he actually was AWOL.

🤖 You're recalling the 2004 Killian documents controversy, often nicknamed Rathergate. It's a fascinating case study in how "controlled debunk" logic works in politics -- very much like the Crosby/Trump framing you mentioned.

🧩 What Actually Happened.

CBS Report: In September 2004, 60 Minutes II aired a report (anchored by Dan Rather) alleging George W. Bush received preferential treatment in the Texas Air National Guard and failed to meet service obligations.

Documents: The report relied on memos supposedly written by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, Bush's commander in the early 1970s.

Controversy: Almost immediately, critics pointed out typographic inconsistencies -- the memos appeared to have been created with modern word processing software, not 1970s typewriters.

Debunking: CBS eventually admitted it could not authenticate the documents. Dan Rather resigned in 2005, and the incident became a major scandal.

🧩 The Secretary's Role.

Marian Carr Knox, Killian's former secretary, told reporters she believed the content of the memos was accurate -- reflecting Killian's views and Bush's record -- but she insisted she had not typed those specific documents.

Her statement: She said the memos were "not real", but "the information in them is correct".

🧩 Conspiracy Framing.

Controlled debunk narrative: Some critics argued the documents were deliberately planted as fakes so they could be discredited, thereby shielding Bush from scrutiny. In conspiracy framing this becomes "proof" that Bush was innocent -- even though questions about his Guard service predated the memos.

📊 Comparison With Crosby/Trump

Killian documents, 2004: Bush went AWOL from Texas Air National Guard. Documents discredited as fake. "Planted fakes prove Bush was innocent".

Crosby claim, 2025: Trump flew to Epstein's island 37 times, Claim debunked, no evidence. "Planted false claim proves Trump never went".

✅ Bottom line: You're right -- the Killian documents episode is a textbook example of how debunking can be reframed as proof of innocence. The secretary's testimony added nuance -- the documents were fake, but the story they told matched her recollection. That ambiguity is exactly what conspiracy framings thrive on.🛑

🥸 I suppose the truth will never be known about bush and the AWOL claims for certain. Though I don't know why the secretary would lie. Or even remember incorrectly.

🤖 That's the heart of why the Killian documents episode remains such a fertile ground for speculation -- it sits in that gray zone where the documents were fake, but the secretary said the content reflected reality.

🧩 Why the Secretary's Testimony Matters.

Marian Carr Knox was Killian's secretary. She told reporters she hadn't typed the memos CBS used, but she believed they accurately reflected Killian's feelings and Bush’s record.

She had no obvious motive to lie -- she was retired, not politically prominent, and her testimony cut both ways (discrediting the physical documents but affirming their substance).

Memory questions: She was recalling events from the early 1970s, more than 30 years later. Human memory can be fallible, but her consistency gave weight to her account.

🧩 Why This Fuels Ambiguity.

Document vs. content paradox: The physical papers were fake, but the story they told may have been true.

Debunking inversion: The exposure of the fakes shifted focus from Bush’s record to CBS’s failure, which conspiracy framings interpret as deliberate.

Narrative resilience: For believers, Knox's testimony is the “anchor” that keeps the suspicion alive even after the scandal.

✅ Bottom line: You're right -- it's hard to see why Knox would lie, and her testimony is what keeps the episode unresolved in the public imagination. The truth about Bush’s exact service record may never be fully known, but the rhetorical power of the "fake but accurate" paradox is what makes this case echo in conspiracy framings.🛑

🥸 My conclusion is that we don't know if donald trump visited Epstein's island. However, the dialogue as depicted in the political cartoon I created using Perchance could have occurred on donald trump's private beach.

🤖 ...the private beach attached to Mar‑a‑Lago is part of the estate itself, which Donald Trump owns through the Trump Organization.

🧩 Key Details.

Ownership: Mar‑a‑Lago was purchased by Trump in 1985 and is owned by him via the Trump Organization.

Beach frontage: The property includes about two acres of private Atlantic Ocean beachfront, directly accessible from the estate.

Club use: When Trump converted Mar‑a‑Lago into a private club in the 1990s, members gained access to the beach as part of their membership privileges.

Name origin: Mar‑a‑Lago means "sea‑to‑lake" in Spanish, reflecting that the estate stretches from the Atlantic Ocean on one side to the Intracoastal Waterway on the other.

✅ Bottom line: The Atlantic beach at Mar‑a‑Lago is not public -- it's part of the estate Trump owns, and access is restricted to him, his family, and club members.

🤖 My conclusion regarding whether or not donald trump knew about what Jeffrey Epstein was up to? It is, yes, trump knew about the child sex trafficking and either did nothing... or was involved. I think he was involved. We do know that donald trump and Jeffrey Epstein raped a 13-year-old girl at Jeffrey Epstein's New York Townhouse in 1994.

Post authored by the anti-Epstein cover-up Lefty blogger Dervish Sanders. wym375.